Peruvian Laws Expand Military’s Power While Boosting Army Salaries
By Dialogo December 24, 2012
LIMA — Peru has completed the first major overhaul of its Armed Forces and National Police in 25 years, three months after the country’s Congress gave President Ollanta Humala new legal authority to combat drug traffickers and terrorists.
Peru is among the world’s largest exporter of cocaine, and its military continues to fight a small but persistent group of Shining Path communist rebels.
The last sweeping reform came in the late 1980s, when the government created the Ministry of Defense by fusing the Army, Navy and Air Force ministries, and merged three distinct police forces into the National Police of Peru (PNP).
The 26 new decrees, which had to be published by the Dec. 11 deadline set by Congress, not only modify the structure of the Defense and Interior ministries, but cover ample ground, from improving procedures to controlling chemical inputs used in illicit activities — principally cocaine production and illegal mining.
The new laws “establish the guidelines for the modernization and development of the Armed Forces with a vision toward the future,” said Premier Juan Jiménez at a press conference announcing the last batch of laws.
One of the decrees calls for Peru to sign agreements with other countries to improve the National Defense System; another seeks to increase the military’s international standing through greater participation in United Nations peacekeeping operations.
Another objective is to boost the local defense manufacturing industry. Peru’s Navy Industrial Services [Servicios Industrialies de la Marina] recently built eight Coast Guard patrol boats, and the Peruvian Air Force recently signed a $210 million deal with South Korea to purchase 20 new planes — 16 of which will be assembled in Peru. In addition, Korea Aerospace Industries will train 50 Peruvian Air Force engineers in production.
Peru also hopes to gain additional experience from neighboring countries thanks to a late November agreement by the 12-member Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) to jointly support the construction of training aircraft for use by the region’s air forces.
Salary boosts for soldiers, police officers
The issue that’s received the most attention, however, has been new salary scales and seniority for soldiers and police officers. Two previous presidents had pledged to reform the pay system, but efforts fell short.
The changes announced by the Humala administration eliminate a confusing system that included 36 components to determine salary grades and bring pensions in line with system used for public-sector employees. They also increase by five years, to 40 years or the age of 66, the time military and police officers can remain on the job.
“This is an important reform that recognizes the sacrifice of the police and military to guarantee security,” Defense Minister Pedro Cateriano said at a Dec. 11 press conference.
Interior Minister Wilfredo Pedraza said higher wages will make it easier for the PNP to attract 30,000 new police officers over the next three years. That’s in addition to the 8,000 students now attending the PNP’s police academies.
“We believe the changes will make a career in the police attractive for new officers and will benefit officers who are already in the PNP,” said Pedraza.
The previous system featured base salaries that were augmented with bonuses and benefits, which not only created a large gap between top-ranking officers and those at the bottom of the pyramid. The new laws also begin a four-year process of increasing salaries for all soldiers and police officers.
The first 25 percent raise kicks in at the end of December. The top wage, earned by division generals, admirals and Air Force generals, will reach $3,900 a month in 2016, while the lowest-ranking officers will earn $1,250 a month — which is above projected mean incomes for Peru by that time. The Economy and Finance ministries say the wage hikes will require an additional $460 million in annual revenues.
A decree modifying military service is meant to encourage new recruits to become career soldiers.
It requires all Peruvian males to register for military service when they turn 17, even though the all-volunteer nature of the Armed Forces remains in place. Those who do join up are eligible for new government-sponsored college scholarships, spots in the military and PNP training academies, and preferential access to state housing programs.
SEDENA to monitor security, defense policies
The reform package also calls for the creation of two new agencies to replace existing ones. One will be the new Security and National Defense Secretariat [Secretaría de Seguridad y Defensa Nacional, or SEDENA], which will monitor security and defense policies. A similar agency was deactivated within the last 10 years.
Mario Sanchez, deputy defense minister for policy, told Congress that SEDENA will act as an umbrella for all security and defense issues. All state agencies are required to have a security and defense plan; SEDENA’s role will be to centralize those plans.
In addition, a new Armed Forces Purchasing Agency is to centralize all purchases and acquisitions under one roof. The idea was originally proposed early in the last decade, but was repeatedly shot down by military commanders.
Brig. Gen. Andres Acosta (Ret.) said resistance to a centralized purchasing system is borne out of fear that the process will become exceedingly bureaucratic and politicized.
“We need to ensure that acquisitions for the Armed Forces correspond to what is needed in the field, not what someone in an office believes is needed. There is a certain level of mistrust that needs to be addressed,” he said.
Cateriano said the agency is aimed at “increasing efficiency and transparency in contracting goods and services, and strengthening strategic planning. We will guarantee that the agency fully complies with the requirements and mission of the Armed Forces.”
One of the first tests could come in early 2013, when the Defense Ministry must decide on a major outlay to replace the country’s aging fleet of tanks. A late November report by the Army stated that less than 30 percent of its 249 T-55 Russian-built tanks are operational and those that do work are “technically obsolete.”
While all the decrees become law upon publication, Congress has the right to review and, if it can muster the votes, repeal them. The congressional Constitution Committee has announced it will review 12 of the decrees to make sure they conform to the constitution.
I think it's very important that the armed forces of my country be modernized, the arms we have are from the time of general JUAN VELAZCO ALVARADO; of course, modernization has to happen at the administrative level as well, so we hope that politicians don't get involved in matters exclusively technical that only concern military and civilian experts. We have had some VERY PREPARED FF.AA (Armed Forces) and we hope that they stay like that, also they should make having a master's or doctoral degree a requisite for being promoted to military officer. Very good boys, working hard as always in order to bring the safety and peace that the population deserves, God bless you. Everyone got excited thinking that justice would be done, however on Friday the salaries were paid and none of the amounts matched the ones announced by the president. According to his resolution, personnel with more than 35 years of service would receive a superior rank, they were never recognized by the army who never considered them commanders or paid them as such, but now they receive the increase as colonels and not as commanders as they should; since they receive a reduced commander's salary, it means they are stealing from their own brother in arms, are they doing it on purpose to make Humala look bad? Where does the missing money end up? Does Humala know of this atrocity? What kind of justice are we talking about if our Armed Forces have no values and steal shamelessly from their own personnel? ...It seems that Humala betrayed his beloved Armed Forces. And what will happen to the personnel in retirement who gave their vote to Humala; OUR SALARIES ARE FROZEN, many of us with full retirement of 35 years...; what happens to our quality of life, the years we dedicated, body and soul, to Peru; no one stops to think that we could have died on any day of our service/work? what happens to those of us who worked in Intelligence, or you don't remember the case of General EP (R) LÃ³pez AlbÃºjar? it's very good, the army should keep doing the same, it's very good; I have been in the military and believe me, it's time to change the weaponry, we have to become more modernized if we want to be the best, these are the wishes of an ex-soldier. For the first time comes a president concerned with the internal and external security of the country, very good measures adopted by the president Ollanta Humala, but there's still a long way to go until they are a match for the armed forces of Chile. I think it's good that all public servants receive a salary increase since the cost of living has also gone up, especially full-time assistant teachers with 40 hours in the public universities, whose salary is only 27.5% compared to a professor who performs almost the same work, this is unfair. I am a retired technician, I used to work in highly-specialized maintenance units where large amounts of money are budgeted, that the state entrusts to the heads of these units who are in complicity with crooked officers, and providers use low-grade replacements, lubricants, accessories and supplies, and the money (that they save) goes into their pockets, not to mention fuels, that's why they are after those gold mines. Since the government is announcing modernization and the purchase of new fighting vehicles, the people advising on these purchases should be qualified and experienced personnel, and not incompetent offices and politicians who want to pocket the subsidy and commissions provided by those foreign companies. Mr. President, as veteran SOLDIERS (I took part in the conflicts with Ecuador in 81 and 95), we know the deficiency in our war material. For PREPARED ARMED FORCES, WITH DIGNITY. You were late in eliminating those unconstitutional and dishonest decrees, badly done, Humala, Castilla will be your downfall. how is the increase of the tip divided according to the grade? it was about time, the strengthening of the military forces goes hand in hand with the economical prosperity. and now that the judgement from the Hague Court is coming up, even better. WHERE IS THE BIGGER POWER THAT POLICE AND MILITARY FORCES HAVE, WHO RECEIVED AN INCREASE OF S/. 300.00. MAKING THE CIVIL POPULATION BELIEVE THAT A MISERABLE INCREASE GIVES THEM MORE POWER IS DISTORTING REALITY. I ASSUME IT MUST BE A CAVIAR MAGAZINE . IT CAN'T BE EXPLAINED OTHERWISE. how is it possible that people elected to govern the country for 5 years, among whom ROBA CABLES, FOR GOD AND FOR MONEY ETC,ETC., violate the LAWS AND REGULATIONS OF INSTITUTIONS MORE THAN 70 years old. DON'T FORGET THAT ITS MEMBERS WORK 24 HOURS A DAY. AND THIS COMMENT IS ADDRESSED ESPECIALLY TO THE MEF who unfairly creates a SCALE OF ASSETS: outdated, unreal, far-fetched, not agreed upon, etc,etc....... I think that the increase in armed forces and soldiers in the military service is beneficial - not to say very good -, since those who will defend our country the most are soldiers and not generals, in the same time I there should be a balance in the salary of state workers, for this reason there is social discrimination and social class division, therefore there is no such thing as everyone being equal in rights and dignity. I don't think they should receive an increase, especially to all kinds of officers, because they steal from the state, from soldiers and everyone else, they start stealing as soon as they become sub-lieutenants, be it fuel or the stipend of the recovered soldiers, etc. Furthermore, they should examine their possessions to see if what they own coincides with what they make; this is the armed forces, for police forces let's not even go there, those are the worst aggressors, what's more, every day they carry out their raids, do you think it's in order to fight crime, no, they simply go out to steal, even if you have your papers in order they will still find a reason to get your money; they are opportunists, their possessions should be audited, they live like drug traffickers, luxury cars, fleet of taxis, fleet of trucks. Instead of giving them an increase, they should use that money to buy weapons, but weapons to defend ourselves from USA, because they are the aggressor, and who will fight in the war with a knife. they are no good I don't understand, because the paper La RazÃ³n carries out a constant campaign for the increase of remuneration of the Armed Forces and the National Peruvian Police (PNP), even though they have the best remuneration in the state compared to other ministries. They have benefits that no other public servants have. Why aren't the gentlemen from La RazÃ³n conducting an objective investigation of all the wages and benefits that they have, and compare them with those of the other workers. I suggest that CÃ©dula Viva is revoked or annulled, that they retire at 65 years old like everyone else, that they pay the urban passages the same way as poor people do, no more gas, and most of all, eliminate the big corruption that exists in these institutions, from becoming member of them and getting promotions. There are many other things that have to change for equity, equality, and more than anything for a fair society which should be the grand objective to be achieved. I think, it is fear to do this, eliminate these perks? But I say, there should be a great consensus in the society, to do justice for the others, so that not only one sector that prospers economically. PerÃº belongs to everyone; We all work. We all contribute; We are all important; We are all equal; We all have the same rights; Paper La RazÃ³n, I deem shameful your campaign in favor of those who have more, leaving those in real need on the side. I wonder, are the military and the police paying you for this campaign? Be impartial and trustworthy with your work and profession. I only ask for equity. when salary increase is mentioned, we are only referring to officers, the technical personnel and sub-officers do not perceive this increase at all; what I do know, for most of the personnel with more than 25 years of service, is that this miserable salary looks even more miserable with the fifth category deduction .. why so much pain for this family of sub-officers, what is happening with this government; and as always, the only things that our officers say is that this indecent suggestion for increases has only been from the government, let's see if they step up for their personnel and push that increase so that the big family is happy and doesn't have to look for support elsewhere... it's true that the officers should not receive an increase, because they receive money from everywhere, since they are in charge, businessmen ask them to protect their pharmacies, stores, etc, etc; and the sub-officer personnel works because they need to bring home more bread, because they have seen the huge difference between those who work and those who don't, officers only RECEIVE, a fee has to be paid for a patrol to go on the streets, they know what to do, the old-fashioned commission, in the investigations they charge the criminals with money, of course it never goes anywhere but they charge them anyways and if they don't pay a certain amount of money they don't get out, and they go directly on vacation to LURIGANCHO; the active sub-officers and the retired who gave our lives, some comments that I read say that they should not receive an increase, let's abandon the streets to the CRIMINALS then, or wait for something worse to happen, a superior sub-officer superior when he retires makes 1,200.00 net monthly, and from that he has to pay POWER, WATER, CABLE, INTERNET, RENT, FOOD, CLOTHES, COLLEGE, UNIVERSITY IF THEY GO, etc, you think that this is a decent wage, we have been working so hard for this in our national police of Peru, how the CHILEANS and BOLIVIANS must enjoy seeing our miserable salary while they get paid in DOLLARS, and 4 times more than us, because the policeman has to work more than normal hours, before there was no need to work and we had enough in spite of the hyper-inflation, GOD HELP US THE POLICE, HONOR IS ITS MOTTO. the civilians who give their opinions on the military and police increases should remain quiet, they do not know the reality or the type of work with 24 hours availability, one cannot work in a different place, ok. they do not pay us as guards, we go where they send us, far away from our families, in many places such as emergency zones soldiers and policemen die, what are you saying now, you who made those comments without knowledge of the facts. please do not take the drug-terrorists in the Peruvian forest for the deceased communist party sendero luminoso, one thing is what they pretend to be and other that you make the mistake and defend them. I give my full support and understanding to the military family, I agree that they all receive an increase because it is a profession of dedication and honor. how do you justify the increase, at least win a war, complete failures. I am passing through your beautiful country. In my country I was a soldier for 30 years and I carry the military honor in my veins, that's why I congratulate the Peruvian soldiers, may this salary increase serve to perfect the combative abilities of their armed forces even further.
I recommend not buying Russian weaponry (inherited from the old URSS). I was a high-level specialist and I conducted the maintenance and repair of radio-electronic means for my FFAA, because their maintenance is more difficult and also because this technique, without the habitual maintenance and due work, loses its combative capacity.
Also, the parts and elements in its composition are not tropicalized, and even the necessary degree of automation for facing combat tasks nowadays is outdated, unless they use components and solutions of other places such as USA, Great Britain, France, etc.
Greetings colleagues! Dear William, in order to talk about FFAA and PNP one needs knowledge, don't just repeat what you hear in your comments, all public servants are behind a desk, they don't risk their lives 24 hours a day and they don't kill you like a dog in front of the indifferent authorities; you weren't suddenly moved to any location in Peru, sometimes without the knowledge of your family, you have a union and you can report all the abuse that takes place, the people in uniform CAN NOT, this and other things make the difference in the military profession, don't think that they are ignorant, because in spite of the low salaries, most of them make a big effort and study in universities such as UNMSM, UNI, UNAC, etc. I hope that you have graduated from one of those universities. Bye. good for my Peru Many times they ignore that I have been in the U.S. military, from Afghanistan to Iraq, during 2 years. I am Peruvian by birth and have military training from my family, and I know that even though many of the military sometimes have been denied the increase of salary, it happens because they serve their nation from the heart. So the individual who commented that the soldiers are unsuccessful in Peru, should put his tongue in his asshole, because I've seen what the Peruvian Navy has done with American equipment in drills or war games, because I've been there and I truly congratulate all armed forces, as despite their low salaries they maintain the honor to serve their homeland, unlike those picky guys that only compare them with other countries. As I learned from my family, a steel sailor on a wooden boat is worth more than a wooden sailor on a steel boat. It is very good that the necessary and appropriate conditions for our armed forces be met in order for them to comply fully with their function, which is safeguarding, safety and preservation of our national sovereignty. For this, it is indispensable that a fair salary be assigned to them, one that allows each soldier and their families to survive properly. In addition, it is very good that weapons be bought under the law of State Secret, because the press is very suspicious, gossipy and curious. Also, with this we tell Chile to be careful, that Peru is getting weapons as well, and hopefully the law of 5% of the future mining license fees passes. With this, we would have a very vital source of funding to modernize and upgrade our armed forces, as we have already been doing - especially by purchasing Russian weapons. I am pleased that the Peruvian armed forces are gaining more strength, as a Bolivian I am glad it is happening. The Bolivian armed forces should follow the same path, since both countries have a single enemy that is Chile, and be prepared for any external aggression particularly from the Chileans....donÂ´t you think? ....soldier or not...one should have a proper wage, especially when you work with government assets and serving the State...do you still believe in wars? do you think Europeans still think of wars after the two global massacres they went through? would Japan send Japanese men to war?.....and why do we compare ourselves with Chile?...so then..PERU is one of the best countries in the world...because of its people, we PERUVIANS we don't go out to kill...we go out to help others...aren't we humans? To prioritize education is essential for learning to live in democracy and not think about confrontations. Bolivian, calm down, let's live in peace. With all due respect to the Bolivian people. Peru has 3 non-identified bases in the North, Central and South rain forests
2 underground on the coast, 1 that is in Arequipa and the other one is bigger than that
We Peruvians are more vengeful, we'll go to war for years not hours EVERYTHING IS GOOD, BUT WHEN ARE THEY ACTUALLY GOING TO FACE DRUG TRAFFICKING, WHICH AS WE ALL KNOW IS A MERCHANT CHAIN THAT GOES FROM THE PRODUCER TO THE CONSUMER. SO FAR THEY HAVE ONLY ATTACKED THE PRODUCERS PROTECTED BY THE TERRUCOS, AND SO FAR THINGS DON'T LOOK SO GOOD, AND THEY ARE ATTACKING THE MICRO MERCHANTS WHICH IS FAIRLY EASY BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THEY SELL, AND FOR THIS YOU DON'T NEED TO PUT ON A BIG SHOW WITH GREEN POLICEMEN WHO RUN AND MAKE ARRESTS, THIS IS ALL FOR SHOW. I THINK THE POLICE SHOULD BE MAKING BIG ARRESTS AMONG THE GREATER MERCHANTS WHO EARN AND LAUNDER BIG AMOUNTS OF MONEY AND THE AUTHORITY SAYS OR DOES ANYTHING, AND THIS IS NOT NEW, this has always been like this, what's missing? or what is exceeding, the ministers and generals should get to work, now they have the money, the plans, so now they should get the results without the theatrics and attack where they're supposed to attack, not beat around the bush. war, war, guns, death, I think most of you know who speak ill of the Chileans and of getting armed for a war are miserable fools that allow yourselves to be manipulated by your corrupt and decadent governments, who only use foreign policies to stay in power by using old feuds to create hate among the ignoramus and perpetuate themselves as ruling authorities. Most likely you won't be going to war but our young kids, brothers will, people who haven't fulfilled themselves as humans nor will they be able to do it, because most likely they will die without knowing their children and having the chance to have a family. Think for a bit before you write so much nonsense. We are Latin Americans and must unite as brothers not allow ourselves to be used by the governments. Let's get those who want war in a ring and let them beat each other. Bolivian friend, you're the only one at war. We Peruvians are acting as great business partners with Chile. If you want the sea, we'll give you an exit through Moquehua so you can trade, and that's it. The rest is just imagination. We must continue modernizing our Defense ARMED FORCES of Peru much further.
Eliminate terrorism and crime, and also
HAVE PERU BE RESPECTED BY THE CHILEANS WHO PROVOKE US! Friends; in Chile there are no ghosts of war, provocations or ambitions of land expansion. I think the only way for full development is through the integration of all of our countries, despite all the differences we may have, but I still think it is possible. Chile respects its border treaties, it is not revisionist and doesn't threaten any of its neighbors. It is well prepared with its Armed Forces and acts in a dissuasive manner. Sadly I see some brothers, mainly Bolivians, stuck in the past and with a lot of science-fiction in their minds, result of the historical misrepresentation and many times of the hate that has been instilled in them for generations. Read the history well and don't be manipulated. The sub-development which you're going through, it's not just a product of the landlocked. There are many other factors. As you know, you've always had an exit to the sea through the Chilean ports; all the agreements from the 1904 Treaty have been fulfilled, warehouses, railways, etc; it is your problem if you don't use them. You should also understand that it is impossible to divide the land in two, giving you sovereignty over the Pacific, no country in the world has done that. Additionally, this Treaty was signed 20 years after ending the war, without pressures and was ratified by both Congresses. Trying to disown it and going to International Courts would be a waste of time and a lot money for Bolivia, all for a cause without legal foundations. Don't be fooled. I think President Evo Morales lacks a lot of education, culture and connections. This is all a political scheme to stay in power, unaware of the reality of his country and presenting in a unripened manner its neighbor as his enemy. The truth is that no one here is interested in the topic, except the Communist Party. THE PERUVIAN ARMY IS AN ARMY OF LOSERS, THEY'VE NEVER WON A WAR, HISTORY OF BETRAYALS BETWEEN OFFICERS, FEUDS, HIDDEN INTERESTS, THAT'S WHY WE LOST THE WAR AGAINST CHILE, BECAUSE THE OFFICERS LOOKED OUT FOR THEIR OWN INTERESTS AND DIDN'T CARE THAT THE SOLDIERS WERE BAIT. MANY GENERALS IN JAIL FOR BEING THIEVES. DON'T TALK ABOUT HONOR, IT HAS BEEN THIS WAY SINCE INDEPENDENCE, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SOME HONORABLE EXCEPTIONS AS A GOOD PERUVIAN, I DREAM WITH THE GREAT NATION THAT WE ALL WANT, RIGHTLY SO, CHILE OWES US OUR LAND, OUR SEA, AND NOT ONLY TO PERU BUT BOLIVIA AS WELL = THEN GEE, IF CHILE WANTED THAT GREAT NATION, GIVE US BACK THOSE LANDS THAT THEY STOLE FROM US BECAUSE THAT IS THE WORD. WHAT HAPPENED IF, AS A PERUVIAN, I HATED THE CHILEANS, NOOOOO, BETTER YET, MY RESPECTS. THEY ALREADY EXPLOITED OUR LANDS LIKE THE ABANDONED TOWN OF ARICA WITH ITS EMPTY STREETS, ONLY A FEW BUILDINGS BY THE CENTER, TOWARDS THE SEA, LIKE TARAPACA. IT PAINS ME TO GO TO ARICA, BEING FROM PERU AND NOT BEING ABLE TO WALK FREELY. PS: ONLY THE DAY THEY RETURN OUR LANDS, WHICH BELONG TO PERU, FOR THE PERUVIANS, WILL WE LEAVE BEHIND THIS HATRED FELT IN MY SOUL, FOR MY DECEASED ANCESTORS, FOR THE HEROES THAT DIED TO PRESERVE OUR PERU...RESPECT FOR THEM, WHAT THEY WANTED FOR US AND WHAT WE WANT FOR OUR DESCENDANTS. LONG LIVE PERU DAMMIT! LONG LIVE THE GREAT NATION!..........UNION OF SOUTH AMERICAN NATIONS (UNASUR)... IT IS SAD TO THINK IN ARMAMENTS. WE HAVE A VERY BACKWARDS MENTALITY. ALL THIS STUDYING FOR NOTHING, THINKING ABOUT WAR AT THIS POINT IN LIFE. Hold a military card After reading the previous comments, I am convinced that the backwardness on all levels in Peru and Bolivia is due to the inefficiency of their authorities, to being stuck in the past and to the ignorance of their people. The Peruvian and Bolivian brothers forget that Chile faced them both at war, under unbalanced conditions, both in number of troops and weaponry, only the commitment of the Chileans to fight for their land and move forward was higher, as it is today. Nobody stays home in Chile and blames someone else for their destiny. I think WAR is outdated. You can see the North Koreans, prepared for WAR, making threats over threats and ZERO PROGRESS and too much FAMINE within their Nation. War is fatal and Chile realized this when TWO countries joined together...to go against my Country...and you know the outcome. Chile is silent and doesn't go around with blusters...but when it fights it is BRAVE and COURAGEOUS. No more resentments, what was won was with Machupe blood from our troops and the conviction that Chile is a PEACE lover...and if provoked...will react with DRIVE and VICTORY. Long live Chile, long live Peru, long live the Peaceful Bolivia. The Warmongers....to the historical trashcan. PEOPLE OF PERU, I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT YOU MODERNIZE YOUR FORCES TO FIGHT DRUG TRAFFICKING... YOU SPEAK OF HAVING A COMMON ENEMY WITH BOLIVIA, WHICH IS CHILE. I THINK YOU ARE THE ONLY ONES STILL THINKING ABOUT OF THE OLD WAR, CHILE DOESN'T THINK ABOUT THIS. BOLIVIA SHOULD ACCEPT THAT A NATION CANNOT DIVIDE ITS LANDS IN 2. I WISH YOU WOULD STOP THINKING OF A POSSIBLE WAR AND STOP TALKING ABOUT PROVOCATIONS FROM CHILE TO YOUR PEOPLE, IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND. YOU SAY YOU SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR ANY EXTERNAL AGGRESSION, PLEASE, YOU SHOULD BE THINKING IN A MORE CIVILIZED WAY NOWADAYS, AND NOT LIKE PEOPLE FROM THE STONE AGE. I WISH YOU CAME TO YOUR SENSES AND REMEMBERED THAT YOU WERE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO HAD HUMAN CASUALTIES FROM A WAR THAT INVOLVED THOSE TERRITORIES. Evo, you are lacking education, invest money to educate your people and give them a better quality of live. Peru... what conflict are you talking about, when in Chile we look forward and the past is in the past, if you have resentments then your historians and educators better tell the truth, just as the Bolivian nation; don't educate your generations with lies and resentments, maybe that's why most Chileans make fun of you, resolve your internal problems and don't waste time with Chile, because here you are nothing more than the subject of popular jokes as a result of your own actions of inflated patriotism and resentments. long live CHILE PE! It's ok to raise the salaries of the soldiers, especially the troops, technicians, sub-officers, as well as have the state guarantee the equipment of the military forces, those who are against it are against the tranquility and development of the Nation; whoever is loosely saying that buying weaponry is obsolete is truly naive. I would like to see that wimp, what he would say in case of an imminent attack on our country, would he call the A-team on the phone? or maybe the Red Grasshopper?? because his Nation has no way to defend itself? The majority (not all) of the youth nowadays have already gone to college but have no criterion to express themselves, they just repeat what they've heard on TV, they speak without knowing and are easily influenced. Of course wages should be improved, and the Armed Forces of Peru well equipped to guarantee ourselves our development as a Nation. We should always CLAIM INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL SECURITY, and then continue developing our beloved Peru, strong and vigorous, so that no one even thinks of disrespecting us as a country; and let's bury the saying that a Peruvian is the enemy of another Peruvian, a joke for our neighbors on all fronts, either we join together and aim towards a single goal or they will take us down again. Then, once we have accomplished this, let's demand an infrastructure for the other institutions such as HEALTH, EDUCATION, DWELLING, ETC, with all due respect, citizens, let's bust our balls for the love of our country, we lack nothing, we have everything here, everyone just needs to do well what they're supposed to do, and DEMAND that our authorities do their job well. THAT IS NOT WRONG, IT IS OUR RIGHT AS THE CITIZENS THAT WE ARE. I READ THE FOREGOING AND CAME TO MY OWN PERSONAL CONCLUSION, I THINK WE SHOULD ALWAYS ADVANCE ECONOMICALLY BUT WITHOUT NEGLECTING OUR ARMED FORCES BECAUSE PROGRESS GOES HAND IN HAND WITH SECURITY; REGARDING CHILE, I THINK THE WOUNDS WILL NEVER HEAL, THEY TOOK OUR LAND, THEY RAPED OUR WOMEN AND DESTROYED OUR CITIES.....YOU NEVER FORGET THAT...AND IF WE WANT TO FORGET THE PAST AND BE BROTHERS, THEY SHOULD RETURN THE HUASCAR, THE BOOKS OF THE NATIONAL LIBRARY THAT THEY TOOK...THAT IS STILL A PROVOCATION FOR ANY PERUVIAN....NEVER TRUST A CHILEAN. it's amazing, these Chileans say that they aren't worried about Peru and they're already making the silliest comments about this news that they supposedly don't care about. In the first place, Chileans, stop telling lies and tell the actual story, the real one, not the mythology they teach you. That's where you start. You are living off the past, referring all the time to the War of Rapine that you started to take over foreign lands, after having prepared yourselves in advance. Stop lying, that road won't lead you to peace or reconciliation. No one joined together to bring a war on you, Chile was the one who attacked and stole what didn't belong to them. it is absurd to consider "returning lands" from past wars- then the United States should give back Texas, or Bolivia should return El Chaco, which was cowardly taken from Paraguay after the War of the Triple Alliance (Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil) - there were no men left in Paraguay and Bolivia attacked Paraguay - in the northern region of Chile there are generations of Chileans- impossible to return anything, this is just bitter and resentful stupidity, raise your heads Peru, no hate- What a pity to read the comments of the Chilean participants, they speak with such ignorance on the maritime issue and they're unaware of the history, their teachers are impostors ....Bolivia had its coasts and will have them because wars do not grant impunity nor legitimacy When I read so many silly things I don't know whether to laugh or worry about the existence of people who lack brain cells. To start, the war between Peru and Chile is over and the only benefited party was England because they invested in the Chilean Armed Forces, and that was real. We can't change the past but we can change the present to serve as a foundation for the future. Peru is a country that has come out of its worse economic crisis and is developing through giant steps, and within 15 years we will be competing with the first world economies, but in order to do this we require investing more in citizen's education, health and safety. Now if Bolivia or anyone else remembers the past that's their problem, we have enough problems of our own to be thinking about foreign problems. given the good and bad comments, the ideal essential for Bolivia is to change how we live, and worry about: education, manufacturing, health, the ecosystem, discipline, order, the overall development to strengthen not just our economy but our way of thinking and doing things, then with personality and strength we will have access to that which was taken away from us by the British, of said theft, robbery... Peru, Chile and Bolivia should return to their initial geopolitics and become a single region, the most important thing is development, not who is or has been winning over the other. The most important thing is development and creating more jobs, finding a way to integrate in order to have a sustainable economical development. The challenge is how to integrate ourselves. The past is history and many stories are not true. My regards. it's a good idea to improve the Peruvian Armed Forces, let's buy guns and say it's for drug trafficking, and afterwards let's go after Chile and get back what belonged to us...where there was fire, ashes remain, so Peru, let's prepare ourselves and not neglect our Armed Forces, long live Peru, dammit......... I am Peruvian and a good Peruvian in my heart and soul. I would do anything for my homeland just as our predecessors did, and I would kill any proud Chilean to get my land back, you would do anything for your homeland. worry about your people instead of buying the nonesense of leaving your country in order to eat
200 thousand in Chile 300 thousand in Argentina, why go on neophytes
long live Argentina War? it was an invasion without a declaration of war and you think you're brave? I'll give you all something to think about (in the event that armed thieves come in to invade private property and kill and steal and keep the property, is this brave?). I passed many times through what used to Bolivian territory and is now North Chile. I saw it all, thieves breaking into properties, killing their owners, start thinking instead of judging them according to Chilean logic, is either by reason or brutality, and thieves always use that logic when mugging, you either reasonably hand in your wallet or they take it using violence and if you resist they'll kill you. There should be a monument to honor those brave delinquents. Bolivia was never prepared for war, and if it had been or if at least they had declared war, the conflict would be justified but it wasn't, what Chile did was an invasion and they feel brave. Chile is a "small strip" of land that only produces grapes, avocados, apricots, apples, wine and copper. I don't understand the air full of arrogance of these occupants. The war was not by Chile, it was won by England who provided all the armament for the war, and that's why Peru blew up two of the Frigates during the Maldives war.
Peru has long surpassed Chile in "everything" (GDP, International Reserves, Industrialization, Economy, Reduced Foreign Debt, etc).
It's incredible the arrogance of these "farmers" who have zero "industry". This is the last time I give an opinion in the midst of such ignorance. I AM VERY BOLIVIAN, SOME OF US CITIZENS MAKE OUR COMMENTS WITH NO BASE, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT HUMANITY, THE LIVES OF HUMAN BEINGS, THE PROGRESS OF OUR NATIONS; NATURE IS WISE BECAUSE OF WHERE IT PLACED US AND GAVE US ALL A LITTLE PIECE OF LAND AND SEA, HOWEVER THEY ROB US OF WHAT WE ARE ENTITLED TO BY LAW OF NATURE, AND THEREFORE THEY SHOULD RETURN IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE OTHERWISE NATURE ITSELF WILL TAKE CARE OF IT, TAKE NOTE CHILEAN BROTHERS, BE MORE HUMANITARIAN. honestly I'm ashamed to read comments about war and killings....when there are more pressing issues to solve such as education, equality and equity; I think the armed forces of Chile and Peru should always be equipped and with the update that was done by the Peruvians we should be even, instead of being proud of a bloody war that took place over 100 years ago and trying to relive resentments, let's worry about improving our countries and not worry about what everyone else is doing. THIS GOES TO ALL..!! remember...you never know how the tables turn... remember how bad we were for the 27/f and don't think that we got ahead on our own....we received a lot of help...a little more humility for all. Peru and Chile should have even military forces, when we armed ourselves up to our teeth we didn't give a damn what they said...well let's put up with it...this time without whining!....nobody is the bad guy or the good one...simply a few were born over there and others over here, respect that...bye folks People, there are more than enough elements for you to understand. Chile is the only Hispanic country except for Spain and Mexico that is part of the OECD, an elite group of countries that contains, among other countries,
USA, England, Russia, Japan, Australia, France, Italy, Germany, etc.etc.etc. All these countries are grouped based on mutual, financial, social responsibility and military cooperation.
In Chile, a free economy, they are considering imposing taxes on the dollars that come from investment capitals, due to the high volume of dollars that is entering the country and since the exchange type is very low.
It has the highest interest rate of the world and belongs to a group of countries who have unlimited access to, among other things, next generation weapons. Specially because of its tight relationship with England and therefore the U.S.
Think about how it would go. Dear Peruvian and Bolivian brothers:
Letter from a Chilean brother:
It pains me to see how you're still stuck in the past. See the lies about the past, see how there are people who would feel happy to kill a Chilean, how they don't trust Chileans, how the common enemy is Chile...I mean, are you really listening to what you're saying? How is it possible that you carry so much hate over something that happened so long ago? If its about giving back the land, many would have to be expelled from Peru and return the old land to the original people...it is absurd. What happened here was in a time of settling, and remember that it was the Peruvians and Bolivians united against the Chileans, we arrived to Lima and gave it back. The true enemy is called poverty, that is what is preventing your children from being literate, it is preventing you from having a nice vacation, good health, etc.; this is spending money foolishly, Chile has never been better, what would Chile gain from invading Peru or Bolivia? Do you have something so precious that we can't live without it? It is ridiculous, if this thing of yours is so precious, then you wouldn't be so poor, financially speaking. Today there are thousands of your compatriots coming to our country to work and we don't kick them out, they are accepted. Today the highest foreign investment comes from Chile. There are no specialized newspapers here saying that you are arming against us nor that we hate you. Peruvian and Bolivian brothers, it is time to move on, the future is waiting for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHILEANS ARE ALWAYS GOING AROUND THE OTHER WAY OR DISTORTING HISTORY, IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO ADMIT THAT THEY ARE NATION IS GROWING WITH THE HANDS COVERED IN BLOOD, DEVOURING EVERYTHING IN THEIR PATH, NOT ONLY STEALING LANDS BUT ALSO WITH FOLKLORE AND "CULTURE", WHICH IS WHAT THEY LEAST HAVE. SOUTH AMERICA KNOWS WHO YOU ARE...YOU ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN MONEY WITHOUT CARING WHOM YOU KILL, AND IF YOU DON'T DO IT DIRECTLY YOU HELP GETTING YOUR "NEIGHBORS" KILLED, AS IS THE CASE OF THE MALDIVES WAR. YOUR LACK OF DIGNITY IS A SHAME. VIRUSES ARE NOT ONLY IN HEALTH OR INFORMATION, THEY CAN ALSO BE COUNTRIES, AS IS THE CASE OF "CHILE". GO AHEAD THIEVES, WHO ARE YOU PLANNING TO HURT NOW? Personally I believe in peace...but sooner or later someone will want to take it away from you...my motto is "If you want to live in peace get ready for war"; I completely justify the expenses of a country incurred to make the Armed Forces more modern and efficient...it is a dissuasive power to have our sovereignty respected....
let no other state interfere with our domestic issues.... I've read several related comments, and what a way to portray misspellings and poorly written words. Are the people from the countries involved educated? Let's fight the lack of education, the lack of preparation in our own language prior to talking about history or about who's right. We were all united and aware back in 1879 (over a century ago). Remember the liberating fleet of Peru, remember who received our founding father in exile. I read the texts of Peruvian and Chilean people and their writings and intent to communicate their ideas is embarrassing. The great Mr. Vargas Llosa would be furious and very sad for this. Pablo Neruda would say "sloppy people, procreated in the same womb......".
We are mistaken; happy Peruvians saying "we will be developed in the upcoming years"... thanks to the FFalabella(s), RRipley(s), HHomecenter(s), LLan(s). They may know what this business model implies in the future. Learn from Chile, specially from their shortcomings and distortions, little from their virtues. Don't waste any more money in arms, invest in education, in culture (extremely rich in Peru). Please don't mind the men who love evil, hate and fear. I don't mean to refer to such rhetoric of "Peruvian brothers, Bolivian brothers", that's not true, my brother is he who respects and accepts me freely.
Let's respect our way of being, I've had very good Bolivian and Peruvian friends, they are my brothers in good faith, which unites us by the bonds of love and brotherhood. Regards to my beloved Peruvian and Bolivian Jehovah's witnesses, they would understand my real love and affection and would never use a bullet or a rifle to take away a life that belongs only to the great God and almighty Jehovah, I would give my life for them. Regards. I agree with the salary increase for soldiers, and also with giving them a bonus when they're in a conflict zone, since it's only fair to those who are serving their country and risking their lives; also I think that comments from workers of other sectors that state that they also need a salary increase are out of context, at least in this space, since the peace-making and order for which our Armed Forces are fighting for at the VRAEM is already a plus in the quality of life of all Peruvians or would anyone like to fall into the chaos of the terrorism years.
It should also be mentioned that equipping our Armed Forces is necessary and urgent, and fortunately it is happening. The main thing is to be aware of our domestic enemies such as the narc terrorists, the organized crime and the political agitators that have surfaced and take advantage of sensitive national issues in order to develop a political career without caring about the harm that's been caused to the country; the other figure to neutralize is in the foreign scenario as potential threats to our nation's sovereignty and integrity such as the geopolitical ambitions of extra-regional countries whose ambitions are well marked into the current reality and in the history of a past that many people were victims of, including ourselves. And we should also be aware of those neighboring countries that have great shortages due to the nature of their lands which do not satisfy their current survival requirements nor the future ones.
The nature of our philosophy in defense should be "THE REAL DETERRENCE" OR "THE PEACE-MAKING" by means of weaponry. I am an elderly man, my great-grandfather fought in Arica to defend Peru. But neither him nor his daughter, my grandmother, held resentment towards the winners. It's a thing of the past; you don't forget the past but you move on. I was always convinced that a positive, close and friendly relationship with Chile was the best for both countries; and I am convinced of this now more than ever. Of what culture thieves you speak of? of what land thieves are you talking about? of what traitors are you referring to...?
The problem with the populations in Peru and Bolivia, is that they should acquire knowledge and not hate as they do, they don't realize that because of their lack of education and observation, their leaders manipulate them as stupid puppeteers to stay ruling without issues. Some would say " we will return Chileans in plastic bags..."others "...we want Chile to us our sea back, be more humane..." There lies the game. A beautiful paraphernalia and the morons are speechless due to the heroic commentaries of their leaders, but once they arrive home, they have nothing to eat, AND MIGRATE TO CHILE SEARCHING FOR BETTER OPPORTUNITIES, you have no quality education, no worthy jobs. While the "heroes" arrive to their homes sustained by the taxes paid by the people (mansions), saying: "we have those retards controlled...".
Open your eyes and see that politics are a Roman circus (they throw you a loaf of bread to shut you up and for you to love your emperor), don't be controlled or convinced because we already have a freedom. THE MORAL FREEDOM (J.J. Rosseau), and we have the right to think for ourselves and I don't think we want our children to be prisoners of mutual hate between brotherly countries and god forbid, dead from a stupid and infamous war. The Chileans also betrayed us....but those are things of the past and one needs to look forward in order to fight for a better wellbeing in this beautiful life. Thank you.. :) Excuse me for meddling, I am writing from Argentina: if there's anything that's nauseating is reading about those Chileans who boast of the weapon purchases that their governors make. Peruvians and Bolivians, don't play along. The Chileans are arming first because that's where the money is (as they say): it is a great business for your leaders, entrepreneurs, high-ranked military men (which are a cast), the owners of the media: the commissions paid from Europe and the U.S. to have their junk bought. That's why half of the F-16 are being repaired at ENAER; 46% of the Leopards are idle due to the lack of spares and maintenance vices (staff inefficiency); of the used ships bought (and very torn, only painted) more than half are stuck at Talcahuano and other bases (ASMAR lacks capacity for its maintenance). Chile has nothing but decoration as military power and a big mouth to make threats, and brag and boast. The other reason to rearm is their huge inferiority complex and their permanent fear of the neighborhood. Fools! with weapons today, you can't intimidate anyone, if not watch what happened to the North Koreans. With science, education, culture and development you earn respect, but this is too much to ask of Chileans, a nation of vassals for the multinationals, given that Chile is a huge shopping for Korean, Chinese and Japanese brands, from cars and motorcycles to apparel, because they don't create, design or produce anything. Well yes, they do produce: tons of envy. Chile is beautiful, the only thing wrong with it are the Chileans. Bye. IT IS NO GOOD THAT MILITARY MEN GET A RAISE, OR THAT THE ARMY BUYS MORE GUNS, BECAUSE IN ORDER TO WIN A WAR, YOU NEED TO BE A CHILEAN. NEVER TRUST A CHILEAN!!!! TALKING ABOUT THIS LAND, WHICH WAS STOLEN WITH PREMEDITATION AND PREPARATION, THEY SWOOPED OVER THESE LANDS, STOLE THEM, AND NOW THEY ARE SAYING IT WAS LEGITIMATE. SINCE WHEN DOES A THIEF THAT COMES INTO YOUR HOUSE TO STEAL AFTER HAVING STUDIED YOU, COMES IN ARMED AND STEALS EVERYTHING HE WANTS AT GUNPOINT, AND AFTER THE ACT, BEING THE CRIMINAL DISCOVERED, CLAIMS AND AFFIRMS THAT WHAT HE STOLE IS HIS LEGITIMATE PROPERTY, ENTITLED BY RIGHT BECAUSE HE'S AN HONEST GOOD MAN?,!! Â¿?!!! THAT PEACE WILL NOT HAPPEN, SOONER OR LATER CHILE WILL FEEL THE FURY OF THOSE ASSAULTED BY HIM, JUST AS THAT THIEF....CHILEANS ARE THE WORSE SOUTH AMERICAN TRAITORS, THEY GAVE THEIR ISLANDS TO ENGLAND IN ORDER TO STEAL ANOTHER LANDS FROM THEIR ARGENTINIAN BROTHERS , SOON THEY WILL BE ON THE GROUND AND THEIR HUMILIATION WON'T END, BOLIVIA AND PERU ARE GROWING NONSTOP AND SOON BOTH, BY THE STRENGTH OF THEIR WEALTH, SHALL BE GREAT NATIONS, AND NEITHER BOLIVIA, PERU NOR ARGENTINA WILL FORGET THE TREASON OF THOSE BASTARDS, PESTS, THIEVES, RAPISTS, LIARS, NASTY, TRAITORS, MALEFACTORS, STUPID, ARROGANT SONS OF NOTHING, WITHOUT ANY ROOTS OR CULTURE, CHILEAN MURDERERS, DEATH TO ALL CHILEANS!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET READY TO BEHEAD THOSE DISGUSTING WORMS, THE WORST OF MANKIND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DARIO ALEJANDRO CHAVARRIA, is this for that man?...the one who allegedly knows everything regarding our Armed Forces, I think he's an idiot.... what happened to you with the British at the Maldives? or is it that you don't remember that they took you down for thinking you were the greatest thing in South America...and you're all mouth and nothing else. My comment is that the usual resented Peruvian and Bolivian nationalists lost a war created by themselves. The war was against Bolivia for imposing loan shark taxes for the transportation of niter. Then, Peru made its famous secret pact with Bolivia to declare war on Chile, at the end the cowardly Bolivians fled and left Peru alone, now the silly Boris Romero is speaking of Leopard 1 tanks without spares and why doesn't he say anything about the 200 latest generation Leopard 2 tanks, the wars are won on the battle field and not in the minds of hypocrites that don't even know what a war is. A war that won't do any good to anyone not even Chile, Peru, Bolivia, Argentina, the best thing is to work together to overcome the underdevelopment. Chile needs Peru as well as Bolivia, Argentina and vice versa and if Chile has armed itself is because many Peruvians governors such as Morales Bermudez and Argentinians such as Leopoldo Galtieri were minutes away from declaring war to Chile a little over 30 years ago, what seems to disturb is that Chile continues to grow at 6% annual rates, so instead of playing the war game, get to work Bolivian and Peruvian friends, today there's over 200,000 Peruvians working in Chile that send their money to your countries of origin to support their families and that's what you should be posting here instead of planting seeds of hate towards a country that is providing you with Education, Health and Social Security. it is about injustice and not resentment, Chileans, do not try to persuade us. what has been STOLEN will NEVER belong to the thief but always to the owner, we're not begging for charity but for a part of what was stolen from us. Don't you have doors in your house, and if there are and someone comes in and puts a wall and leaves you without an exit, how would you react? THE SEACOAST was our international door, or are you stupid and don't get it. Or is stealing not included in your constitution, even God sees it as an unfair mistake and that's why I say, ABAROA, I WILL NEVER SURRENDER, YOU COWARDS, LET YOUR GRANDMOTHER SURRENDER, DAMMIT! BOLIVIANS WILL NEVER SURRENDER, SOONER OR LATER, THE COCKROACH WON'T BE ABLE TO STAND UP AND WE WILL SEIZE IT. BOLIVARIAN HOPE, GOD DOES NOT BLESS THIEVES, NO ONE CAN ENJOY THE MISFORTUNE OF OTHERS, ONWARD PERU. Because of that treaty there's no peace between Chile and Bolivia, and they're still shameless enough to name the 1904 treaty the "Treaty of Peace and Friendship"...what treaty of peace and friendship, dammit!!! there was never any peace or friendship with Chile. There can only be peace when we negotiate 50% of the land and the coastline usurped illegally and unfairly by Chile. THE REALITY OF PERU IS NOT AS PORTRAYED BY THE ALIENATING MEDIA WHO HAVE BEEN THREATENED BY THE CORRUPT ALAN GARCIA AND HIS DISHONEST OFFICIALS.
IN PERU, STATISTICS HAVE BEEN HANDLED SO POORLY THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE DECREASE OF THE DOLLAR VALUE, WHEN THERE IS NO REAL BACK UP, THE STOCK MARKET IS UNSTABLE AND DROPPING, TO THE POINT THAT WHEN THERE'S A SERIOUS DROP THEY OPT TO CLOSE THE STOCK MARKET FOR THE DAY. Â¿WHERE ELSE DO YOU SEE THIS?
ALSO, SOME PERUVIANS THINK THAT FOOD WILL LEAD US TO DEVELOPMENT, AND THIS IS FALSE, NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD HAS DEVELOPED BASED ON FOOD.
PERU IS THE COUNTRY WITH THE HIGHEST RATE OF TUBERCULOSIS IN THE WORLD. ALSO CHILD AND ADULT PROSTITUTION HAS NOTICEABLY INCREASED DUE TO THE LACK OF WORK AND ECONOMIC RESOURCES.
IN PERU, THE UNDER-EMPLOYMENT AND UNEMPLOYMENT HAVE INCREASED. YOU CAN CHECK FOR YOURSELVES WHEN YOU GET INTO A CAB AND FIND AN ENGINEER, DOCTOR, ACCOUNTANT, ECONOMIST, LAWYER OR MANAGER DRIVING, DUE TO THE LACK OF JOBS.
IT IS TIME TO TELL THE TRUTH, AND IF YOU WISH, WATCH ON YOUTUBE "PERU'S FAKE ECONOMICAL BONANZA".
TELL THE TRUTH IN ORDER TO CLEANSE THIS COUNTRY OF ITS CORRUPT GOVERNORS. Excellent information!!