Peru’s President Ollanta Humala Aims to Modernize Armed Forces, Police
By Dialogo September 03, 2012
LIMA — Peruvian President Ollanta Humala, a retired Army colonel now in the second year of his five-year term, has embarked on sweeping reforms to modernize the country’s Armed Forces and National Police.
Congress passed a series of measures on Aug. 9 allowing the Humala administration to implement new laws in the areas of national defense and citizen security. Two weeks later, Premier Juan Jiménez announced that Peru’s 2013 budget will include a 20 percent increase in defense spending. The changes are aimed at boosting the capacity of Peru’s security forces to deal with terrorism, drug trafficking and crime.
The new measures give the administration 90 days, or until mid-November, to pass new laws with respect to the military, including strengthening the career-track system within the Armed Forces, creating a centralized agency for military purchases and acquisitions, establishing the National Security and Defense Secretariat to design policy, creating mechanisms for soldiers to provide support to police officers in emergency situations, and increasing salaries for military personnel.
Jiménez said the defense budget for 2013, without including funds to boost salaries, would increase to about $2.85 billion.
Emergency decree expanded in wake of terrorist attacks
Recent months have seen a major upswing in violence at the hands of a breakaway faction of the Shining Path. The area affected is roughly the size of Belgium, and is formed by valleys of the Apurímac, Ene and Mantaro rivers, known as the VRAEM, in the south-central jungle.
The Shining Path faction there killed 14 soldiers in 2011 and nearly 20 soldiers and police officers this year, including five soldiers at an anti-terrorism base in the VRAEM, on Aug. 15. Most of the deaths have occurred since April, when a Shining Path column kidnapped 36 oil pipeline workers for nearly a week. The workers were released unharmed, but the action was a serious reversal for the administration — and one of the reasons for a sweep decline in the president’s popularity between May and July.
The VRAEM has been under state of emergency, with the Armed Forces in control of security, since mid-2003. It was expanded in April to include additional areas; by law, the government must renew the state of emergency every 60 days.
The administration has responded with a long-term development plan for the VRAEM, including major investments in infrastructure and basic services. Jiménez also said his government would invest $115 million through the end of the year in new equipment for the Armed Forces fighting in the VRAEM.
“We want to be clear on this point. We are going to strengthen the logistics and security systems for troops deployed in this part of the country,” Jiménez said during a presentation to Congress on Aug. 20.
The rebel actions in the VRAEM erased the administration’s success in virtually defeating another Shining Path faction in the northern Upper Huallaga Valley. Last February, the National Police’s anti-terrorism unit arrested the leader of that faction, Florindo Flores, and have systematically picked off most of his top lieutenants since then.
Talks on purchasing agency to continue
The creation of the centralized purchasing agency could prove tricky, due to opposition among military institutions. The Army, Navy and Air Force have long objected to a single agency, arguing that it would add additional bureaucracy to the acquisition process.
The Humala administration, while defending its plans, also recognizes that it was not given a blank check to pass legislative decrees. Congress debated for more than 10 hours before approving the request for legislative powers and did not vote on the package, but on each request individually. Five of its requests passed by the slimmest of margins, with Speaker Victor Isla having to break a tie on the issue of soldiers providing support for the National Police.
Jiménez said the legislative package will be prepared transparently and with inputs from all sectors.
Negotiations for the salary plan — which would double the amount earned by members of the Armed Forces over the next four years — were scheduled to start at the end of August.
I, as a Peruvian, agree that the armed forces and national police must be modernized for the defense of our homeland but each institution must appoint a technical commission specialized in weapons. Together they must select the weapons, coordinating as a gear. The purchases must be Congress audits the purchases. This way we will avoid doubts and everything will be transparent. Our Peru is a pacific country that respects international treaties, and in several decades we have not modernized the armed forces, on the other hand, our neighbour to the South has always been modernizing its armed forces. That is why it considers itself as a strong country and it has invaded 35,000 km of sea at the South, usurping our 200 miles because we do not have a deterrent force. Peru had a sad experience in the war of the Pacific on 1879. It seems that we have not learned the lesson and the corrupt governments that have had the power do not care about our national sovereignty. Good morning, gentlemen. In these last months our country has suffered one of the worst squalor, because violence has taken place in all the newspapers of our center. It is time that the President takes measures on the modernization of our armed forces regarding the materiel to combat those Forces of Cowards, in order to bring down them one at a time and live in peace. It is time to update the police and military weaponry. I am originally from Peru, and I was once part of my country, I miss it... but I also did courses of military activity in Peru, and the preparation is important, as the modernization of all combat groups, as well as the continuing education of our international rights. But we need men who are not bribed, that have knowledge of our international and local rights... You can count on me. I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS AFTER READING THIS NEWS, ON THE ONE HAND, I AM GLAD THAT FINALLY OUR EQUIPMENT IS RENEWED, AND ON THE OTHER HAND I FEEL SAD REGARDING THE FACT THAT SO MUCH MONEY SPENT ON THIS RENOVATION CANNOT BE ALLOACTED TO ALLEVIATE THE POVERTY OF MANY COMPATRIOTS. WHEN I SAY MITIGATE I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT GIVING AWAY MONEY, BUT RATHER TO BRING PROGRESS, AS LIGHTING, ROADS, SCHOOLS, ETC., IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY FEEL EMPOWERED AND BECOME ENTREPRENEURS. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CAIN OF AMERICA FORCES US TO THESE EXPENSES. FOR THIS REASON I SUGGEST THAT, IN PARALLEL TO THE RENEWAL, TO ASK THE UN A "FLEET OF PEACE AND FULFILLMENT OF THE DECISION OF THE COURT OF THE HAGUE" IN ORDER TO ENSURE ITS COMPLIANCE RamÃ³n Castilla, as a visionary President, said: "If Chile buys a boat, Peru must buy two" until when our rulers will continue being neophytes? I remember very well when Toledo, in Chile, said before their Senators "Peru is being armed with books and pencils for the war against ignorance, I invite you to join in this war!". Besides him, Chilean President looked at him sarcastic as saying "Stupid poor Indian, do what you want." Hopefully Ollanta as a military turned over this page in favour of Peru. Without prior intelligence work there can be no success against Sendero Luminoso, an organization that has abandoned its ideology, replacing it with a voracious appetite for money through drug trafficking. In fact, Sendero Luminoso today is an organization of vice and vice is dangerously corruptive, so its destructive capacity is moral and material. We should ask ourselves if what Sendero Luminoso wants is the creation of a drug state. In order to have an excellent military capability and be able to use the state of art technology, it is necessary to purge the armed forces of so many offenders that exist in the military branches and defining the purchase of material from one or two countries, to avoid the creation of a cemetery of armament in the future. GENTLEMEN, THE MATTER IS VERY SIMPLE, IF THEY REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING GOOD ONCE AND FOR ALL. -EACH ARMED INSTITUTION IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE TO DO THEIR OWN ASSESSMENT TO MODERNIZE. -WHEN EACH OF THEM HAS ALREADY COMPLIED WITH ITS STRATEGY AND PROPOSE THEIR PRACTICAL NEEDS, THEY WILL BE REUNITED AT A GENERAL LEVEL AND THEY WILL PROCEED TO THE PURCHASE OF ALL THAT HAS TO BE PURCHASED. -THE MINISTER OF FINANCE IS NOT THE PROPER PERSON TO DECIDE WHETHER TO PURCHASE OR NOT SOMETHING... HE WILL HAVE TO GET MONEY FROM ANYWHERE TO SAVE US FROM AN IMMINENT INVASION FROM CHILE... PRESIDENT HUMALA SHALL ASK THE MINISTER OF FINANCE TO AUTHORIZE THE EXPENDITURE AND NOT ASK FOR PERMISSION, SAYING THAT IT MAY OR MAY NOT...? A REAL PERUVIAN... It is true that the armed forces require a complete modernization, but I think that the staff must leave the poor treatment that it has since the 1980s until today. First thing that should be done is to modernize the wages of the lower paid military in Latin America It is important for the security of our nation to have professional armed forces and police, duly trained and equipped with the latest technology. This is the best investment that Governments must do. With security, we ensure the development and both must go parallel. It is time that they see us as a country that is respected; the best deterrent is the balance and unfortunately this has not been accomplished, and the blame only falls upon the nefarious Governments we have had. They must buy the best weapons systems but with transparency and honesty. As a Peruvian, I agree that the armed forces be modernized for the State's security. Letâ€™s not wait until the last moment to buy them. It is useless to buy new armaments at the last moment because we do not know how to operate them. Death to politicians who do not want the modernization of our military forces. They seem Chileans. The politicians that do not agree with the purchase of weapons should be executed as miserable dogs. I want security for me and for my family and security for my country. Gentlemen of the armed forces, please take the power but take it well. Do not take power to fill your pockets and escape as cowardly dogs. History has said that there were many cowards and Pagans are their generation. Don't wait for grandchildren to feel shame in the future saying that the faggot of their grandfather sold Peru. I have read important comments. I know from the news that Peru has a lot of money reserves... millions of dollars. Chileans know that our politicians are complete idiots... blind... sold. We have to ask for a good defense Minister that knows how to buy. The President has to order to the Minister of Finance to allocate the resources needed for the defense of our country. LetÂ´s purchase the best missiles of the world, 5 per each Chilean plane, 3 per each tank and 8 per every ship that they have and I assure you that Chile will no longer mess with Peru! Attention... do not forget submarines! Hello, I'm a Bolivian and I read everything you have written. I am very pleased since it shows that you really love your country. We at Bolivia are in the same process of rearming our Armed Forces, but with the little budget that we have. I hope that at some point we will have leaders who put the pants on and buy good military and police material right now to defend our homeland from the, as one of you said, South AmericaÂ´s CAIN (Chile) Greetings and congratulations Peruvian friends! PERU NEEDS AT LEAST US$15 000 000 TO MODERNIZE THEIR ARMED FORCES. I do not know why are we so fearful of CHILE. For example if CHILE has F16, Peru has anti-aircraft weapons; if Chile has the Leopard, Peru also has anti-tank missiles. Also, we are including a technology for MIG 29 aircraft, the SMT technology. With this technology the MIG 29 is superior to the Chilean F16 in addition that it has the ability to be undetected by radars of the F16. WELL, I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING. WHAT IS GOING ON? WE ARE A COUNTRY THAT EXPORTS GOLD, SILVER, COPPER, ETC., AND MANY MORE MINERALS. WE ARE AMONG THE 3 EXPORTERS OF MINERALS IN LATIN AMERICA AND THEY SAY THAT THERE IS NOT MONEY. PAY ATTENTION TO TERRORISM THAT IS DESTROYING THE EDUCATION OF CHILDREN. ... for don Reynaldo Thais and others: it amazes me the gullibility, ignorance or lack of background that make you say that Chile is ready to invade Peru... -Here in Chile that sounds as an argument so jingoistic, chauvinistic and devoid of all seriousness... -Here is an unimaginable infantilism... -Mr.Thais, your sayings would cause me equal impression as if you were saying that Peru expects the imminent invasion of the ET from Marsâ€¦ -None of this helps the hopeful and real and effective campaign of approach of the indo-latina peoples... -In the bloody war of 79, where both countries destroyed the elite of their best youths should only remind us that armed conflicts do not help to the understanding and fraternal coexistence of peoples, especially if they are, or are called brothers... .-More than 132 years have elapsed since that war ended and all over the world and the same areas conquered by Chile are not the same today. -In Europe, in 100 years borders have changed fundamentally in many regions. â€“In America, keeping the desire of revenge would be the same as if Russia requested from the U.S.A. the return of Alaska; or that Mexico requested the return of California and Texas... -Neither more nor less. Or that Paraguay, decimated in the abomination of the Chaco War, demanded the third of its territory that was taken from it by the Brazil, Bolivia and Argentina trio in the '40s... LetÂ´s defend our homeland the right way... - One of the best Chilean civil law practitioners, born in Tacna, was the creator of the "U" of Chile in Valparaiso, and he was esteemed and appreciated in the forum by his real worth... He was named Victorio Pescio Vargas.
- Mr.Thais, I do not want to convince you, but if something positive is reached, I will greet more respectfully yet. Sincerely, The purchase of weapons is a delicate matter, because it takes between 5 and 7 years to have them operating, they are not in stock. Chile bought the F-16 on 2000 and the first ones arrived on 2007. OK... US $ 2,850.00 MILLION, IT SEEMS TO ME A SUITABLE AMOUNT FOR ALL THAT WE HAVE TO REPLACE... TANKS, AIR DEFENSE, HELICOPTERS, FRIGATES, SUBMARINES AND AT LEAST 24 SU30... I HOPE THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY BEGUN, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE OF ONLY PURCHASING THE EQUIPMENTS, BUT PREPARING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO HANDLE THOSE WEAPONS... MINIMUM ONE YEAR... Why donÂ´t you buy food and teach your people to read, for them not to be humiliated all over the world hahahaha. Sirs, I know that this is a mainly Peruvian forum, but I think that just like most of you think that the war between the two countries is a complete nonsense that only enriches the economic conglomerates in the United States, ISRAEL, England and France... or those who sell us their weapons. Chile does not want war, the war of the Pacific was favored by the United States and the British, both sold weapons to the 3 countries: BOL, CHI, PER and exported saltpetre to Europe leaving the minimum for our countries. Unfortunately, as result of this war all three countries lost territories and Argentina acquired the Chilean Patagonia without firing a shot ... The truth is that each country has so many vicious politicians and ambitious of power who do not mind to generate artificial wars. This is a unique moment in the history of both countries that are currently having an excellent economic situation. It is necessary to enhance and give culture to future generations. I know that many will call me stupid because of my words, but I thing they represent a different point of view. I belonged to the Armed Forces of my country and I do not want war. Greetings. It is a pity that by interests of a few ones, the Peruvian armed forces cannot be upgraded as they should. They reason why they do not want a centralized entity of purchasing is because of the "commissions" that are received by each of those involved in the purchases. They would stop receiving commissions. They are rejecting the centralized entity because of an alleged increasing of the bureaucracy and a change of doctrine, but we cannot be fooled, they only want to fill their pockets, stealing our money. To the Bolivian and Peruvian friends: I was really very disappointed after seeing how you fall into the game played by politicians from both countries. They usually convince the population that they will be attacked by Chile when they have internal problems to divert attention and thus avoid that you demand your rights and the promises that were made by them when they asked for your vote when running for their political positions. Please think about the fact that they have been talking about the same threat of Chile's attack for approximately 100 years. Please analyze my position and you will see that I am right in what I say you... Sincerely, VQS. Good morning web surfers, I think it is convenient to explain what is the RUSSIA-VENEZUELA-PERU triangulation process. If you have not realized it, there is an agreement of secret reciprocity with Venezuela. This means a secret military assistance between the two countries. Venezuela has purchased what Peru needs and has sent hundreds of soldiers to train with the weapons that Venezuela bought. As the orders for weapons that Peru bought will take some time to arrive. The weapons have already been purchased from Russia, but Peru is not going to wait until they arrive to be trained, so hundreds of soldiers have been sent to Russia. In case of a conflict VENEZUELA is going to hand over its arsenal to PERU and this will pay VENEZUELA with the war material that is to come. Let me be clear, we are not helpless. Chile is aware of this agreement and it wants a blitzkrieg before Venezuela sends war material, but it is said that at night they are entering war equipment through the ports of El Callao, Tumbes and Pisco. I think this is true, in order to avoid the Chilean spy satellite that hovers over the Peruvian land. PERUVIANS, ONLY THINK ABOUT WHY CHILE IS MINING THE BORDER AND WHO SINCE MORE THAN 100 YEARS AGO SLEEPS WITH ONE EYE OPEN, AND LOUDMOUTH PEOPLE LIVING IN PERU TRY TO TALK NONSENSE. IF CHILE TRIES STEPPING TACNA, IT DISAPPEARS. THEY KNOW IT. PERUVIANS, LIVE CALM AND HAPPY, THAT FOR THE MOMENT IT IS NOT IN OUR PLANS TO RETRIEVE ARICA BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT WONÂ´T BE EVENTUALLY RECOVERED, AT THE CORRECT TIME, AS THEY THE DID. THEY WILL PAY FOR IT. VIVA PERU, DAMNED. I think that is necessary to upgrade our forces, but not as a business of corrupts, and that only the best material be purchased, because we cannot consider Chile as a sheep but as a wolf attentive to any weakness to continue expanding its territory. They have been doing it since long time ago they have fared well so it is not matter of believing that we have Mother Teresa in our South. Chileans have good weapons but they are not far away from us and if we make war it should not be with partners like Bolivia that will abandon us to go to celebrate their fucking Carnival and in the middle of the desert. Do not let history repeat itself. As a Peruvian, it makes me feel sad that there is so much warmongering by a lot of cholos. The truth is that the only winners in the event of war would be the countries that sell arms. They will laugh at our ignorance. Also, as result of the current global crisis, it suits the large power that South America is unstable, and that we are again donkeys as before. Think better and make peace with Chileans. Also, Chilean women are beautiful. I am a Chilean and all these opinions coming from you, Peruvian brothers, really amaze me. I wonder what is the origin of those alarming comments. What do you know about us that we do not know. I tell you the truth. I invite you to read our media and you will realize that they never publish anything related to what you say. Common sense, please, because the current challenges are others. Peru has to modernize the Armed Forces because it has a lot of wealth. It is also important to safeguard its sovereignty. It is living an important moment because deposits are being discovered. Chile once already seized a part of the country, because there was an APRISTA that collected all the money to buy weapons and the very bandit remained in Europe, and in PERU there is a photo of him as a great Lord (better a great thief. This HAPPENED IN THE WAR AGAINST CHILE.) We must exterminate all the unpatriotic persons, they have to go to prison. I have read the comments and triangulation with Venezuela is good. There are still people from the South who consider themselves above others or consider themselves the whites of South America and ask us we give food to our people. Do not forget that America thieves were them, with the help of the British buyers of the saltpeter, with Krup's cannon ships of that time and rifles with the same bullets in all of their weaponry. Today the situation is different and if it is about food, we're giving them a lot. I feel ashamed and at the same time I am angry after reading about so much cowardice of some people. I want a very powerful armed force, and from there we can begin to carry light, water and everything that they want, but knowing that we are protected by our armed forces. Remember the war of 79. We must go through the same thing with Chile. We must not trust. There is the error. We believe what they say "We do not want war." Chileans have two faces. Please, I ask President OLLANTA that on par with SOCIAL INCLUSION HE ALSO AGREES TO ARM OUR ARMED FORCES. IN A POTENTIAL CONFLICT, ORDINARY CITIZENS ARE ONES THAT WILL SUFFER THE MOST. THE ONES THAT NOW SAY THE FIRST CONCERN IS TO GIVE EDUCATION, ELECTRICITY, WATER, DEVELOPMENT, WONÂ´T BE HERE WHEN THE WORST HAPPENS. WE MUST BE AWARE. WITH BOOKS, PENCILS AND NOTEBOOKS WE CAN NOT DEFEND OURSELVES AGAINST CHILEANS. WHEN WE ARE SAFE, WE CAN DEFEND OURSELVES FROM THEM. OUR DEVELOPMENT MUST START THEN. "Minimizing these signs of strengthening in the area of defense of the neighboring countries of Chile, a retired Bolivian military said with regard to this country, "the increase in the military budget" is due only to ensure the renewal of the war equipment available." With this comment, the same thing can be thought about Peru? And what about Bolivia? A popular saying says: "you snooze, you lose." Pay attention, Bolivia. Enough of the speculations! Even the most neophyte realizes that Chile is preparing for war, especially against Peru. But Chileans, do not be naÃ¯ve. Here is this David just waiting the moment to liquidate Goliath. DIALOGO OPINION FORUM HAS ALREADY PROMOTED HIM TO COLONEL. I THINK THAT THEY DID NOT CALL HIM LIEUTENANT COLONELâ€¦ (IN THE EP WAS COMMANDERS ARE CALLED LIEUTENANT COLONELS) HE IS A COMMANDER OR LIEUTENANT COLONEL. HOWEVER, IS THE SUPREME CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES BY HIS STATUS AS PRESIDENT. THE NEWS IS MORE OF THE SAME. ONE YEAR AND A HALF HAVE ELAPSES OF HIS ADMINISTRATION AND UP TO THIS DATE NOTHING OF WHAT WAS PROMISED TO THE ARMED FORCES AND PNP HAS BECOME A REALITY. IT IS PURE RHETORIC, BECAUSE WHEN HE GOES TO A PLACE HE SAYS WHAT THEY WANT TO LISTEN ONLY TO REAP POPULARITY AND APPLAUSE. REGARDING THE RECIPROCITY AGREEMENT IF THE COMMENTATOR LUIS JAVIER KNOWS IT, THEN IT IS NOT A SECRET. THE SECURITY OF A COUNTRY IS ESSENTIAL FOR ITS SURVIVAL SO IT MUST BE THE PRIORITY OF THE STATE TO HAVE ARMED FORCES EQUIPPED AND TRAINED TO DO SO. IT IS WORTHLESS TO HAVE THE LATEST IN MILITARY TECHNOLOGY IF THE PERSONS THAT ARE GOING TO HANDLE THEM DO NOT HAVE THE NECESSARY SKILLS. TODAY GOVERNMENTS HAVE THE ARMED FORCES THAT THEY AND THEIR NATION WANT. THE MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES IN A SITUATION OF ACTIVITY OR RETIREMENT ALWAYS WILL BE AT THE SERVICE OF THE INTERESTS OF THE MOTHERLAND, EVEN GIVING THEIR LIVES FOR THEIR COUNTRY, JUST AS THEY DID DURING THE STRUGGLE AGAINST SUBVERSION FROM THE 83 TO THIS DATE. SO IT IS IN THEIR DECISIONS, OF COURSE WITHOUT AFFECTING THE PROGRESS AND DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT IN THE FIGHT AGAINST POVERTY. Paranoia is impressive and it is incomprehensible the Peruvian thinking that they will be invaded. They don't understand a thing about economics. A war is not viable because there are no visible winners, only losers, and the thought of arming beyond their means assures them only to borrow and delay problems requiring solution. Moreover, the enemy they have is internal, that even after years they have not been able to eradicate it for lack of will not for lack of weapons. Change the switch. Their problems are the political inability, corruption, nepotism, and lack of response to the solution demanded by their people. IT SEEMS NONSENSE TO COMMENT ON IT BUT I THINK THAT OLLANTA IS HANDLED BY HIS MINISTERS, PARTICULARLY THE MINISTER OF ECONOMY THAT COMES FROM LOW POSITIONS. A PROMISE IS A PROMISE, MR. PRESIDENT. For all what I have read I consider that a prerogative of each State is to modernize its armed forces according to their economic possibilities. This was very commented by people from different countries such as Peru, Chile, Bolivia and others. At the same time they criticize if they should modernize their weaponry, but no one criticizes or refutes the modernization carried out by the powers of the world such as USA, England, Germany and others. The question of the century,they are masters of the world. Dear Alfonso SÃ¡nchez and others. After reading your notes, their contents only show great ignorance from the persons that comment in this forum. Most of you don't know how to write, presenting a confusion of ideas expressed through ridiculous figures coupled with visceral statements. Your great enemy and that of South America is poverty, ignorance, political and economic classes that govern us, and not the neighbouring peoples. Almost 130 years have passed since the war of Pacific ended, and Peru continues crying and hating as result of its past, but at the same time it elect rulers as Garcia, Fujimori, etc., which keep the citizens mired in ignorance and poverty, and the assholes don't realize this. Gentlemen, look for your true enemy that is at home, like ours. A fraternal hug from Chile. Well, during the Pacific war there were also Chileans who didn't want the war, among them its President Pinto, but they were overwhelmed by the warmongers, who are and will always be the majority. Peruvians are peaceful by nature. We do not covet or envy the brotherly countries. As result of our naivetÃ© we lost Arica and TarapacÃ¡. It is very encouraging that now we want to invest in purchasing weapons, even at the expense of more pressing needs. It is not easy to live with the Cain of America. Poor people, aspiring to a war that will leave them in extreme poverty. Going to the reality of things and as they are today, in the event of a war, Peru will be defeated in a short time and maybe the Chileans would occupy Lima again for years. It seems that the errors of the past are repeated. Wars, fighting, cheap chauvinism and extreme nationalism, give to the fret with everything that our countries have achieved in recent years. Enough, cheers to peace... ITÂ´S A PITY TO READ NAIVE COUNTRYMEN ACCEPTING TREACHEROUS ARGUMENTS FROM CHILEANS THAT PREACH PEACE, AS IF PERUVIANS WERE FOOLS. GENTLEMEN, PERU MUST REARM WITHOUT ANY DOUBT. IT IS TRUE THAT THERE SHOULD BE PRIORITIES SUCH AS EDUCATION, HEALTH ETC., BUT I THINK THAT THE MAXIMUM PRIORITY SHOULD BE TO ARM OURSELVES AND VERY WELL. IF WE REALLY ARE PERUVIANS WE MUST SUPPORT AND PROMOTE THE PROTECTION OF OUR TERRITORY AND TO SEND WELL AWAY THE COVERT CHILEAN FORUM WRITERS THAT PREACH PEACE IN THE FORUM, PRETENDING THAT WE TRUST THEM. DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE CROOKS AND IF A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE COUNTRIES TAKES PLACE, WE SHOULD INVADE THEM COMPLETELY WITHOUT ANY REMORSE AND IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO MAKE THEM DISAPPEAR. REMEMBER "THE GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH IS THE ONE BAGGED, BURIED AND FORGOTTEN" VIVA PERU, SHIT!!!! To Chilean Victor: you ask to review the thought your countrymen. All of us do it and we only find threats to Bolivians and Peruvians to again take up arms in defense of their offal. They have the most expensive army in this part of America because criminals don't sleep quiet. They dream every night that time has arrived for them to pay their guilt. Victor, do not pretend that you know nothing, please recognize that your Government, perhaps not the Chilean people, but your Government defends the impunity for the crimes committed by their predecessors since 1879. But don't worry, justice takes long but arrives and your country will have the time to breathe the dust of the global condemnation. You could save the skin by returning what you usurped, if you don't do it by reason will have to do it by force. Argentina, Bolivia, and Peru, your three victims will soon decide when Chile will be punished. LetÂ´s agree in something: each country is free to do and undo whatever it wants in its territory and with its budget. Well, if Peru and its current ruler choose to update its armament or increase it, it is its own and sovereign decision, it doesn't have to justify anything. Moreover, it is a very late decision for Peru, as others have already updated their armament and Peru continues with its old weapons. So, there is nothing new. If someone wants to live in peace he must be prepared for war. This is a painful learning lesson, and you know, just look at USA, the one who has the biggest club does what it wants. Is it so difficult to understand that Peruvians have a debt, rather, an obligation as patriots, which is to recover the territories that Chileans took out from us during the last war. We must make every effort to move forward as a prosperous nation in order to have more resources to buy more weapons... and why arenÂ´t we producing weapons ourselves now... I know that in the near and far future the real PERUVIANS are going to recover TARAPACA and ARICA and much more. I can guarantee that for many reasons... PERUVIANS, LETÂ´S NOT BE SO GOOD WITH OUR ENEMIES... I am an Argentinean who lost many friends during the Falklands war. That is why I tell you to be very careful with Chile, since they are treacherous to the maximum. Remember what we did to us, while the Chilean President spoke of brotherhood on the other hand he was providing radars to the English pirates so they knew our movements. With regard to the South of Argentina, the area of Patagonia has always been ours, since it is to the East of the cordillera of the Andes. Only look at the maps well before issuing opinions. Sincerely, Commentators, I would like that comments be made with more intellectual level, without offenses and no vulgarity, even though it is true that national defense is also essential for the normal development of a country. It is true that there are other priorities that must be addressed. I would be inclined to replace all obsolete material that we have, on the basis of a direct purchase from country to country, without intermediaries that do so much damage make to a country. Each country is free to arm itself, as well as our neighbors to the South did it. Now is our turn, that is the logical thing, and there shouldnâ€™t be no objection whatsoever. Now if they claim is another thing. The claim that we are doing before The Hague Court is just and conforms to the reality and no objection should be accepted. The reason and the international law are on our side, but we must not neglect the issue of defense. As the saying clearly states it: "If you want peace, be prepared for war"... Now if others do not want to understand this that is their problem... Peru do not want to make war to anyone, it is more dedicated to the integration of the peoples of South America, but this does not mean weakness. We will not fall into the game of the warmongers that do want a war. LetÂ´s understand that our enemies from overseas want to see us engaged in a fratricidal war in order to grab our natural resources for another 100 years. We must not allow this. On both sides there are good, honest and innocent people who have nothing to do with an armed conflict. We must not make life impossible to them. LetÂ´s settle our discrepancies as civilized people. Leadership has the word. In order to a country be respected, we have to be honest. The triad of the success of a country is the Best Education, the Best Health, and the Best Defense. Only if the President, with a single decree orders "that 10% of the works that are made in the country be controlled by SUNAT (rather than every thief steals that 10% of works) this would be enough to rearm our Peruvian Army." In this way we would be respected without thinking of fighting armed fights, making that our countries fall back. You Peruvians speak of that Chile usurped your lands then why don't you return the Amazon you robbed to Ecuador. Please, let us apply common sense... As long as Peru is a member of #Unasur it wonÂ´t be militarily invaded by any neighbor... Trying to defend itself from any power? Which one? and why? From Chile? Chile! It is impossible. It is a signatory, as Peru, of the Constitutive Treaty of #Unasur. What is worrying for the Peruvian people should be the legal permission that army assists the police in repressive tasks... Do not engage in false nationalisms and say false because at this stage in the development of international relations... any country isolated, that is not integrated, will be dependent on the great powers... what... what a coincidence... they will be submitted n the name of their "nationalism". Today, the path is regional integration and nationalism should serve to consider that Peru, now, has the territorial dimension of... South America. It is more... Peru now has the Pro Tempore Presidency of #Unasur... So I suggest you begin to expand your nationalism... expand it enough that spans across South America... ah, that does not? It does not reach to include your Venezuelan, Bolivian, Chilean, Ecuadorian, Argentinian, Brazilian, Colombian, Uruguayan, Paraguayan, Guyana or Surinamenian brothers? You can see how small is your nationalism? Greetings to the people of Peru #UnasureÃ±o. @SoyUnasur PERUVIANS NOT ARE ABLE TO DEFEAT SHINING PATH, WHO EVEN DOMINATE TERRITORIES WHERE PERU CANNOT EXERCISE ITS SOVEREIGNTY AND ITS ARMED FORCES LOOK POWERLESS AND ARE DEFEATED BY THEM. IN SPITE OF THIS, THEY ARE SEEKING A WAR WITH CHILE? HA HA HA. AFTER MORE THAN 130 YEARS OF THE WAR OF THE PACIFIC THEY STILL DO NOT OVERCOME THE TRAUMA AND SPEAK OF INFANTILE FANTASIES SUCH AS INVASIONS, RECOVER TERRITORIES, ETC... A GOOD PSYCHIATRIC TREATMENT IS WHAT PERUVIANS REALLY NEED ; ) Brothers if you want peace, letÂ´s be prepared for war, because weapons have the ability to deter by itself alone, Also letÂ´s not forget the invasion of Chile to Peruvian and Bolivian territory... without forgetting the bloodshed from our brothers in the year 1879 First to the Argentinean who treats us as traitors: remember that Chile does not have any commitment with you for you to call us traitors. The country that does not respect treaties and does not pay its debts is Argentina. First pay your debts and then retrieve your school ship. Don't forget what your hero Sarmiento said after being welcomed at Chile. Well, that is how you are, opportunistic people that take advantage first and then... The Peruvians who breathe hatred against people that were attacked by Peru, but they forget that the brave allied themselves in a secret treaty to attack us, but their allies or partners of this great company "left them dancing with the ugly" losing the war and they alone were not able to defeat us. I hope that this comment is not deleted as an earlier one that I sent. We do not have hate against anyone, but unfortunately the neighborhood we live is very bad and ordinary. Recommendation: first learn to write and then express your view, Peruvian brothers. Poor fool, how this guy wants to distort history. That treaty was DEFENSIVE, DEFENSIVE... perhaps Peru or Bolivia were rearming themselves for you to tell that it was to attack Chile? Also you made a conspiracy with the British imperialists to attack its neighbors and steal from them. That's extreme betrayal and cowardly and is typical of the Chileans and one should not ever trust them. And if this neighborhood seems bad is because of thugs like you. If it is so, then migrate to Antarctica so that you live with penguins and seals. LETÂ´S NOT LIVE OF GRUDGES, WHAT WE DID OR WE DIDNÂ´T; BECAUSE WE SEE THE CONSEQUENCES OF WARS (LEBANON, AFGHANISTAN, ETC.) THAT'S WHAT WE DONÂ´T WANT IN SOUTH AMERICA; WE ARE THE WORLD'S FOOD RESERVE. LETÂ´S BETTER THINK ABOUT ALLYING US IN PLACE OF SEPARATING US. WITH SUCH EXTREME POVERTY, WE MUST NOT SQUANDER MONEY OR MUCH LESS KEEP OFFENDING US MUTUALLY. WE WANT PEACE IN THE WORLD.
WE MUST MODERNIZE, THIS IS AN INEVITABLE DECISION BUT DO NOT FEAR, THIS WILL BE ONLY UNTIL RECOVERING OUR DETERRENT FORCE, NOTHING ELSE.
EVENTUALLY THOSE THAT LOOK FOR US WILL FIND US, BECAUSE THE BEST WEAPON OF PERU IS ITS MILITARY AND POLICE. UNFORTUNATELY THE CURRENT POLICIES DO NOT PROTECT THEM AND DO NOT GIVE THEM ADEQUATE LOGISTICS TO HAVE SUCCESSES IN THEIR OPERATIONS. THIS SHOULD CHANGE, IT IS NECESSARY TO SET A TIME LIMIT AND ERADICATE, CAPTURE THE REBELS THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE VRAEM, UNIVERSITIES, MOVEMENTS, AND BET FOR PEACE: ONLY THIS WILL MAKE US WE GROW IN HARMONY. Pack of ignorants (all of you), do you know how long a war would last between any of the countries of South America? Nothing, because there is no budget for a war, unless a foreign power is involved. Ignorance is extreme. Read a little about the terrorist struggle in Peru; for you to have as reference, please note that in Peru it is the police that fight terrorists, not the army, you little Chilean. After reading all the views of this forum, I must remind the Messrs of Peru, that in order to face us or at least to try to match us you should purchase the following: 46 F-16 (10 Block 50-52 and 36 MLU), 12 F-5 - Tiger 3 Plus, 12 Super Tucano, you must have in reserve over 20 Mirage Elkan and 15 Mirage Panther, 3 K-135 KC, 1 AWACS 1 CONDOR, unmanned aircraft, Cougar attack helicopters, 8 frigates of last generation, 2 Scorpene (+ 2), a ship of maritime projection, etc., etc., etc., etc., ah! And about 200 Leopard 2 and about 150 Leopard 1V, Marder, IFV, several Hummvies +/-200, Amraam missiles and another long etc., without counting with the human aspect, more than 40,000 men, well trained, highly skilled and well paid and that only in the army, this does not includes the air force, Navy and Marines, plus our police which is in essence of police character and with military training. If you have the money for all this and much more, you to do it because that is your right, but if you do not have enough money or you become terribly indebted, then do not begin to cry as a little girl. Greetings and I hope you are OK, friends of mine. The list is too long, so I summarized it to the maximum, but I think that the idea is understood. Thank you for your attention and understanding.
First of all, start increasing their salary, "the cow already can't remember when it was veal." You think one feeds off accolades and praise, be a man of word and fulfill what you promised when you were candidate. Increase of salary to the armed forces, more work, put an end to crime, payment to the fonavistas, salary raises to the education and health sector, payment increase to the armed forces pensioners, end of corruption, etc., etc. Peru gets nothing by buying weapons and more weapons. In the event of action, photons immobilize any action. For Omar, ignorant of the situation in his own country, who says that only the police and not the army combats terrorism, here I send you a text of news from your own country to instruct you and get you out of the imbecility that you live in.
-More casualties of the army and the national police in the VRAE
Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 11:10 PM
Continue the casualties of the Peruvian army and national police in the restive area of the VRAE. A helicopter fell down in a way until now not clarified, while 24 Horas aired an exclusive report showing the Via Crucis of our soldiers in the fight against terrorism.
Commander EP Esneider VÃ¡squez, pilot of the MI-17 helicopter, was the first to die in the ambush on Wednesday 14, in San MartÃn de Pangoa, Satipo.
Commander EP Esneider VÃ¡squez, pilot of the MI-17 helicopter. He was the first to die in the ambush of Wednesday 14, in San MartÃn de Pangoa, Satipo. A secret report reveals the frequency of attacks to helicopters of the armed forces and their serious defficiencies.
"We are in an air emergency situation," told CARETAS a high officer of the Joint Command of the Armed Forces, who asked to keep his identity in reserve. "The terrorist attack on the helicopter of the Army (Wednesday 14) should not surprise us." We have become an easy target for them (terrorists of the Valley of the rivers Apurimac Ene, VRAE)," he said.
The attack took place in the District of San MartÃn de Pangoa, Satipo, JunÃn, which killed 2 officers of the army. Actually, this is the latest in a long string of terrorist attacks against aircraft of the armed forces in the VRAE
With guys such as Omar they are rightly so messed up in Peru. PERU MUST ARM ITSELF WELL AS A WAY OF DISSUADING SOME BULLYING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT IF TIME COMES TO USE THEM WE WILL BE READY.
HOWEVER, I DO NOT SEE WHY SOME MEMBERS OF A COUNTRY ARE EXTREMELY SCARED AS RESULT OF WHAT WE HAVE BOUGHT AND WE WILL CONTINUE BUYING. THEY ARE CLAMORING AND THREATENING WITH THE WEAPONS THAT THEY HAVE. WE DO NOT COMPETE WITH ANYONE, BUT OF COURSE, WE ARE NOT THE COUNTRY THAT WE USED TO BE MORE THAN A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. WE ARE A COUNTRY WITH MONEY NOW AND ITS UNITED PEOPLE. IN THE EVENT OF WAR, NOBODY WOULD BEAT US.
WE NEVER SURRENDERED IN ANY BATTLE, NOW WE HAVE THE WEAPONRY AND WE HAVE MORE EVERY DAY. DO THEY BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD SURRENDER WITH THE WEAPONS THAT WE HAVE? ALSO, WE PREFER DYING TO BE DEFEATED. OTHERS CANNOT SAY THE SAME THING. DESPITE OF HAVING GOOD WEAPONS HISTORICALLY, MANY TIMES THEY HAVE SURRENDERED BECAUSE THEIR PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE COURAGE.
OR MAYBE IS IT A LIE TO GIVE OR TO TRANSFER TO ANOTHER COUNTRY MORE TERRITORY THAN IT STOLE, ALLEGEDLY FOR HAVING WON A WAR? BY NOW I ONLY SMILE, BECAUSE LATER I'M GOING TO LAUGH MORE. GREETINGS TO ALL VALIANT PERUVIANS AND ALSO TO THE COWARDS ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT ARE NOT WORTH REMEMBERING, HA HA HA.
It is good news. We should have bought our modern weaponry a long time ago, to have our barracks full of cash. We hope they are really modern to not repeat the history of the war with Chile. Commissioners took their part by buying rifles in a country and bullets in another. At the end the armament was useless for not having bullets. That was a good scheme. IF CHILEANS INSIST ON ASSAULTING US, AS A RESULT OF A DEFEAT WARNED AT THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF THE HAGUE, THEY WILL FIND A COUNTRY WITH A DEVASTATING RESPONSE. I INVITE THE NON-BELIEVERS TO REVIEW ONLINE COMMENTARIES FROM NUMEROUS SPECIALISTS AND RELATED INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THE WAR CAPACITY OF COUNTRIES THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE CONFLICT. IN REGARD TO PERU, CURRENTLY WE HAVE A POWERFUL AIR FORCE COMPOSED OF A MAJOR FLEET OF MIG 29 FIGHTER-BOMBERS, RECENTLY RE-POWERED; MIRAGE 2000, 25 SUKHOY AND OTHER MAJOR WARSHIPS. OUR NAVY EQUIPPED WITH FRIGATES, CORVETTES AND OTHERS WITH THE LATEST MISSILES SUCH AS THE POWERFUL OTOMAT MISSILES OF GREATER ACCURACY AND RANGE THAN THE BEST CHILEAN VESSELS. IN TERMS OF OUR LAND FORCES, THEY ARE EQUIPPED WITH OF THE LATEST ANTI-AIRCRAFT MISSILES (ACCORDING TO THE SAME COMMENTATORS, THE BEST IN LATIN AMERICA, COMPRISING A REAL PROTECTIVE ARMOR) AND ANTI-TANK MISSILES SUITABLE FOR DESTROYING THE CHILEAN LEOPARDS. IN ADDITION TO OUR RE-POWERED ARMORED FORCES AND OUR NEXT-GENERATION ROCKET SYSTEM, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY AN ARMY PREPARED FOR COMBAT ON THE POSSIBLE WARLIKE SCENARIO AND ABLE TO MOBILIZE A CONTINGENT IF NECESSARY OF MORE THAN 300,000 TROOPS AND WITH A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF RESERVISTS WHO ARE CURRENTLY PREPARING FOR THE EVENTUAL CONFLICT WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH, SO BEWARE, POSSIBLE AGGRESSORS, YOUR AGGRESSION WILL SURELY BACKLASH. Buuuu how pathetic are Peruvians, better Viva my Ecuador and they better return the Amazon, that they stole from us. That Jose Olmos is a fucking Chilean pretending to be Peruvian. Not fuck Chileans, Peruvians now never trust you, but because you do buy weapons and when we do the Chileans worry about poor Peruvians so good people. They are AmericaÂ´s Cains. They are so afraid of us, or is it that they have no conscience and they fear that sooner or later revenge arrives and they will have to return the stolen land and something else. That would be just, or what do you think, Cains. csm HELLO EVERYONE. THE TRUTH IS THAT NATIONALISM WILL REMAIN IN FORCE DURING LONG YEARS. IN RELATION TO CHILE, ITS GEO-POLITICS ARE VERY CLEVER TODAY. THEY INFILTRATE PRESS ADVISORS AND PROPAGANDA IN PERU. 3 CHILEAN ADVISERS WERE ALREADY WORKING INSIDE GOVERNMENT PALACE, ADVISING THE GOVERNMENT OF FORMER PRESIDENT TOLEDO AND WE ALREADY KNOW HOW THEY ADVISE: PERU SHOULD NOT BUY GUNS, RIFLES, TANKS, MIRAGE AIRCRAFT, KAFFIR, MISSILE EXXOCET, BECAUSE IS GOING TO INVADE IT. OF COURSE, THE RULER OF THAT TIME PAID ATTENTION AND DID NOT BUY ANYTHING AND DEACTIVATED THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICE OF THE ARMED FORCES, WHILE IN CHILE THEY WERE BUYING OFFENSIVE WEAPONS FOR 18,000 MILLION DOLLARS. THAT IS THE GEOPOLITICS STRATEGY OF CHILE, TO PLACE GEOPOLITICS PEOPLE IN PERU AND INVADE US LITTLE BY LITTLE. PERSONALLY, I HAVE MILITARY PREPARATION WITH THE U. S. MARINE CORPS AND ISRAEL, SO I AM NOT AFRAID OF ANYONE OR ANYTHING OK.
GOOD LUCK TO EVERYBODY...
What stupid things are said here.
Not one Chilean thinks of a war. We want to progress, to have a car, a good house, to educate our children, travel the world and leave development behind once and for all-
We know that without education we are never going to achieve this and that is our permanent struggle.
War only leaves poverty and thousands of orphans aimlessly, battered and raped women, destroyed houses, lack of food, clothing, etc. It is total ruin. That is what you want? For a piece of land that you will never see and that another foreigner will exploit.
Peru is three times larger than Chile and uncharted territory. There is much to be done.
In Chile the recruitment is voluntary and limited. We are not on the war path. Money should be spent on more productive things.
Those who speak of war are the first that start and send innocent young people to the front to die like rats. That is the reality.
LetÂ´s live as brothers and we will be happy. Borders are not closed. You can live here or beyond. Nobody will disturb you. In fact, several Peruvians work in the company where I work without any discrimination.
I have read with interest all the comments. They seem to be written by sick characters. Why not propose a South America united in every sense. South American countries would be called provinces, each province with its Mayor, and between the mayors elect a President of South America. A Navy, an air force, an army, a currency, a language and no nation outside of South America would be our nation. Unfortunately, because the world is undergoing a global conflagration and terrorism to large scale created by the power of Zionism and the developed countries with their mercenary transnational companies that plunder natural resources. That is why we have to spend vainly in weapons, why don't we rather invest that money in developing the country. If we did it, our history would be different. We true nationalist Peruvians organized abroad, greet those countries that every day talk about South American union, ONLY THE UNION WILL MAKE US FREE. THAT IS WHY FROM THIS TRIBUNE WE ASK TO ALL THE SOUTH AMERICAN COUNTRIES THAT FROM THIS MOMENT WE MUST FORM AN ARMY ALSO OF SOUTH AMERICANS, THAT HELP US TO PROTECT US FROM THE TRANSNATIONAL MERCENARY COMPANIES THAT PLUNDER OF OUR NATURAL WEALTH. SOUTH AMERICA DEVELOPMENT. Good night. Yes of course, Peru has to be strengthened. Of course, if this place belongs to whom corresponds, then Peru needs to be prepared with the armed forces. HOPEFULLY, BECAUSE PERU HAS WEAPONS OF THE 1980s. IF IT MODERNIZES ITS WEAPONRY, I GO TO SERVE MY HOMELAND. ALTHOUGH I HAVE NOT SERVED YET BECAUSE OF THE OLD FASHIONED WEAPONS. THANKS. Peru must never trust the enemies of the South, and that is true: the best way to maintain peace within a sustainable economic development is by safeguarding our borders. Sovereignty is a serious thing and I really want that Peru gets weapons and balance the warlike situation with Chile. I'm a Peruvian who is expectant on this topic because I do not want my homeland to undergo the same that happened on 79 and if there is a conflict I will defend it gladly. With Chile you cannot blink. Messrs. Rulers of Peru, do not neglect this, because if there is war you will be the first to get out and send your children abroad as happened in the Cenepa war. I wish peace but Chile do not mess with Peru... history will be different. VIVA PERU! After reading this article, that a friend of mine sent me the link to read it. And, reading Dialogo, with insults, hints, etc... Really, not worth answering... none of the two show the level (my neighbor who everyone says that is A1 society of South America, and my country thus having a growth boom, it seems that the boom is not cultural). Finally, to endure more kid fights during 50 more years. Soy Chileno, ciudadano del mundo, descendiente de veteranos de la Guerra del Pacifico, que lucharon en el Ejercito y Marina, orgulloso de lo que hicieron por nuestra naciÃ³n, pero hay muchos mitos, por ambas partes, que los historiadores han cambiado conformes a los intereses de sus respectivas naciones.
Fui del Ejercito y estuve destinado en la puerta Norte de Chile (Arica), durante 8 aÃ±os, con muchos camaradas, esperando en variadas oportunidades la embestida Blindada del EP, que superaban a 4 grupos de Tanques de procedencia SoviÃ©tica, nosotros no tenÃamos Blindados en la ciudad de Arica, los esperÃ¡bamos con AA/BB LOW, aquellos que sobrevirian despuÃ©s del fuego de ArtillerÃa de EP desde 23 Km., nuestra ArtillerÃa su alcance mÃ¡ximo era de 12 Km.
Esta situaciÃ³n fue durante el periodo 1973 a 1979, pero la cordura perduro.
Con el tiempo tuve de conocer y compartir con distinguidos Oficiales del EP, de las FF.EE., al igual que el suscrito en mi PaÃs, eramos jÃ³venes e idealistas convencidos de nuestra respectivas obligaciones como hombres de armas, y que nuestras historias patrias nos respaldaban, pero en una sola cosa concordamos, "que los hombres de armas odiamos la Guerra al igual que nuestros PrÃ³ceres", ahora estoy en los cuarteles de invierno, doy gracias a Dios que no hubo conflicto bÃ©lico, doy gracias a Dios por la cordura a ambos Presidentes (ambos odiaban la Guerra)de nuestros PaÃses no iniciar ese conflicto, doy gracias a Dios que conocÃ a mis hijos y tambiÃ©n mis amigos del EP.
Los hombres de Armas son honrados, nobles, generosos dispuestos a sacrificarse por sus conciudadanos (AndrÃ©s A. Caceres, I. Carrera Pinto, Grau, Prat),pero mal adoctrinados pueden cometer grandes magnicidios.
No mas guerras, si a la vida, tenemos una sola tierra, quiero PAZ. Goodnight, this comment goes for President OLLANTA HUMALA: You as a former member of the army know what things are needed by forces armed, we have to re-power them, because the war with Chile is imminent. The Chilean Government is investing in PERU for a reason, don't trust them. I see that there are several volunteers in case there is a war, I believe that many of us would give life for our country. Peruvians, you better invest the 2800 million dollars in education and health, because you are ignorant and you are mentally ill. In Chile nobody speaks of you. Nothing is published about you in newspapers, nothing is said about you in the news... nothing at all. We don't care about you since 1879 ON DECEMBER 11th FACULTADES WILL WIN
THE INCREASE OF UNIFORMED FORCES WILL BE DECIDED
CONGRESS WILL BEGIN VACATIONS ON THE FIFTEENTH
THE OUTCOME WONÂ´T BE AUDITED
THEY WILL LOSE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
WITHOUT MORAL AND DISCOURAGED, IT WON'T BE GOOD
THERE WONÂ´T BE VOCATION IN THE NEW STAFF
THEY WONÂ´T RISK THEIR LIVES FOR DEMOCRACY
OLLANTA HUMALA IS A FRUSTRATED CACHACO
HE USES HIS PROMOTION TO INTIMIDATE PEOPLE
HE HARMED OTHER MILITARY PROMOTIONS
THEY ARE EAGER TO DISMISS HIM
To the idiots that are saying that Peru should give the Amazon back, Peru did not take anything from Ecuador or from anyone. The Amazon River was always on Peruvian territory. Funny goats from the South, trying to justify their own stealing is useless, so all they can do is say that Peru also stole. This is false. Make up more credible stories. Say what they will, the truth is that they will not take us as in 1870, now we are another reality in every aspect. That is why Chilekistan will need to think about it twice or more, taking their candle to the Lord of Tremors. There I said it. For the resentful and revanchist Peruvians like Jimmy, I comment the following: Chile is not concerned if you are armed or not, it is the same thing for us like in the 1970s when you were armed to the teeth. What we are quite confident is that regardless of the weapons you have and how sophisticated they are, in order to use them you must first learn to read and write. In addition, according to your famous corruption, with some dollars we can bribe your commanders without problem, because the salaries they have are ridiculously low. You should thank us that with our advice you have come out to the world, thanks to the FTA. You utilize our planes, your flag airline was consumed by corruption. We send you the AFP system created by Chile and exported to more than 50 countries. You copied Promperu's from our ProChile, you copied Place of the memory, Pension 65, Mining Laws, etc. Unfortunately, Peruvians like you were left in the past and are not able to recognize that Chile with less natural resource leads your country 30 years ahead in development. For Peruvians of well, that there are, my greetings from Chile. Peruvian brother, I'm Chilean and I reiterate today: in my beloved homeland there is not space for international confrontations. There are more and more challenges that we must face as a country soon, although we don't want it, that reality will be so clear that it will be inevitable to think of the Patria Grande composed by Peru, Chile Argentina etc. We will have to face together those challenges and if not, we will disappear, not only as countries but as species. The challenges of today definitely are other, not stupid wars for land or seas. I'm sorry to see and read how they insult each other, all because two countries are strengthening themselves militarily instead of giving priority to health, education and financial well-being of their people. They only live for something that happened more than 100 years ago, something economic caused by a foreign power, we were used and they live in hatred. We can never rise up as people or country if we do not overcome that. VERY WELL HOLLANTA AND MINISTERS, FINALLY YOU DID IT, LOL, WITH THE PURCHASE AND TRANSFER OF TECHNOLOGY FOR THE MANUFACTURE OF INSTRUCTION AIRCRAFT IN PERU FROM SOUTH KOREA.
THIS MEANS A BIG STEP FOR PERU, EVEN THOUGH IT DOES NOT SEEM SO, IT OPENS DOORS TO FUTURE DISCUSSION ON TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER OF A LARGER WINGSPAN THAN T-50, AND WHY NOT THINK ABOUT THE KOREAN PROJECT, ABOUT ITS STEALTH AIRCRAFT WHICH COULD WELL INVOLVE PERUVIAN ENGINEERS AND PILOTS.
AT LAST PERU!!! Yeah right, make war between Chile and Peru, but do not complain with the economic debacle that would arise. Economists and politicians are more savage than any command (these wretches do not mind attacking their own people). If they already replaced the armament of the 1980s with new one today, in any way I serve my country that I love very much. For my homeland I would kill Chileans, if they offend Peru. SI, EN CASO QUE SE PRESENTARA UNA SUPUESTA GUERRA CON CHILE, NUESTROS SOLDADOS HIRIAN EN PEORES CONDICIONES QUE EN 1879, MAL ALIMENTADOS, MAL ARMAMENTO, ENFERMOS DE TUBERCULOSIS, MAL PAGADOS, MAS BIEN CREO QUE OLLANTA SE LEVANTE COMO LO HIZO EN LOCUMBA PERO CON SUS MINISTROS Y CONGRESISTAS PORQUE ELLOS SI ESTAN BIEN PAGADOS Y ALIMENTADOS, MAS QUE TODO EL OJOS DE MERO COLGADO EN CHICHERIO NORTEÃ‘O (CASTILLA). PERU IS NEVER GOING TO MODERNIZE ITS ARMED FORCES OR ITS POLICE. PLEASE SEARCH IN INTERNET THE NEW WORLD ORDER PLAN AND YOU WILL KNOW WHY. IT'S LIKE THAT, IT SHOULD BE MODERNIZED AN IRREPROACHABLE COMMISSION MUST BE FORMED OF PEOPLE THAT KNOW AND ARE NOT THIEVES, LIKE MANY GENERALS OUT THERE. THERE ARE MILITARY WITH GOOD INTENTIONS. THERE WE HAVE COLONEL BENDEZU, A THROUGH AND INCORRUPTIBLE MAN, AND NOT PEOPLE CHOSEN BY WHIM, AS ALWAYS HAPPENS, TO LEAVE A SLICE OF THE COMMISSION. To buy all the weaponry that is possible, but new and directly from Government to Government, no intermediaries as there begins mess of decision makers. Beware of that, do not be naÃ¯ve. Mr. President, you know very well how is that, therefore do not allow that the ones in charge of purchasing continue stealing us, OK. It is a shame that Peruvians have so much shit in their heads. They threaten, hate, are resentful, always lose in all areas, including the main thing, the development of their people, hence so much ignorance. In the past we faced them with wooden boats and finally defeated them. Now they continue to think the same way. In Chile nothing is spoken about you, we are a cheerful country, we had a great time, we have what we want, lots of fun. But in the news you always appear badmouthing and they say that their newspapers also, and I realize that it's true. Dear Peruvians, you must strive to get education. You still lack a lot of development to understand many things from the past that traumatized you. As someone said, first control and win to terrorism, drug trafficking, corruption, those are the true adversaries. In an imminent war, the ones who would win would be the owners of Peru and the owners of Chile, the only ones that we would lose would be us, you and I, THE PEOPLE. I don't think that Humala modernizes Peru with modern weapons, for that he would have to fire the Minister of Economy . He is an enemy of Peru: he does not want to increase a Sol to the poor military and is he going to buy modern weapons that cost a lot? Pure shit. Don't be fooled, compatriots. On the the hand in Chile, they have thrust: they have a lot of fighting aircraft, while Peru only has purchased 2 and still in parts. I feel sorry for Peru and the military who are fools. They should hang the Minister from the neck. Our military does not have guts. I was in the military service and they only have very old and useless weapons. I don't think they will buy weapons. They will not buy anything better. I say Viva Chile, Chileans do have guts. Peru, like Bolivia, only needs EDUCATION. They have everything else. For those idiots who say that Peru does not interest them, why are they then writing on this page. All of this was caused by their ancestors when they stole territory. Reap what you sowed. It seems to me that President Humala is going to do something historic since others were just passing by and did nothing. They only heeded the bureaucracy that existed. Our country lacked armament of last generation for the security and sovereignty of our country and of our generation, and I know that we are missing two carriers to have a joint command created and operational. Without national security, regardless that we have a beautiful country in Economics, Finance, Education, we wonÂ´t be nothing in military security of our country, that's how I feel nowâ€¦ HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT PERUVIANS FALL IN THE TRAP PLACED BY CHILE, A COUNTRY WHICH NOW REGARDS ITSELF AS PROSPEROUS BUT THAT IN THE SHORT TERM WONÂ´T HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SELL AND IT NO LONGER WILL BE THE FIFTH WONDER. CHILE WILL DISAPPEAR... PLEASE BE AWARE...
ON THE CONTRARY PERU IS A LARGE COUNTRY, NATURE HAS ENDOWED IT WITH ALL: COASTS, MOUNTAINS, JUNGLE. PERU WILL EXIST FOREVER AND UNTIL THE END. ENJOY, WORK WHAT YOU HAVE, GIVE CHILE THOSE 200 SEA MILES, THEY ARE NOT WORTH ANYTHING IN COMPARISON TO WHAT PERU CAN EXPLORE.
PERU HAS A LOT. PERU IS A PLACE THAT MANY ENTREPRENEURS ARE TURNING THEIR GAZE TO. A COUNTRY IN WHICH YOU CAN WORK. DON'T ALLOW THAT CHILEAN POLITICIANS DO WHAT THEY WANT: START ALL THIS MESS OF SMALL WAR IN ORDER TO TAKE FROM PERU WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE. PLEASE AVOID DEATHS OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE NEEDED FOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS COUNTRY. FORGET ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, THAT IS WHAT CASTILLA SAID, I WOULD LIKE THATâ€¦
It is regrettable that the neighborhood has to prepare to put on a show, so that Uncle Sam delights himself as in the times of Rome. "ANGRY WINDS'' ............................................They lay asleep, the mystical spirits of ancient warriors in peaceful lands, but the southerly winds from the south, icy and aggressive murmured while passing by. Arrogant thunders, full of irony in their words ... '' BY REASON ....... or ...... BY FORCE '' ..... The awakening spirits, touched by those phrases with perfidious intentions, responded with eloquent pride..... '' REASON ...will ... VANISH IN FRONT OF JUSTICE AND TRUTH....... FORCE .....will........ SURRENDER TO UNPREDICTABLE RESISTANCE". But you must remember that in these legendary Peruvian lands, many carry the genes of avid, wild and eager warriors that should not be awakened, so do not start something can not never end ......'' CRIED THE SPIRITS WHO WENT BACK TO SLEEP'' Under that bright, sovereign sun embracing the rich but not always barren sands in a rainbow skyline which gave to the flight of many condors with predetermined destinations to the heights as witnesses, to fulfill a sacred duty of moral mysticism to the homeland. And the right to freedom and sovereignty .................... ................................... vts: antonio .. v ........ callao December 12, 2012.. I think that the only good thing the President did was to improve the armed forces and the police; he or his ministers did nothing for basic economy, or even less for social conflicts, transportation, energy, foreign trade. He probably didn't even form an opinion; ultimately, let the cobbler stick to his last. UNION PNP (984114918) DENOUNCES CRISIS
WITH OLLANTA UNABLE OF BALLS WITH TUBERCULOSIS
DECLARE THE INSTITUTION IN EMERGENCY STATE
OUT WITH PEDRAZA, SALAZAR AND CORRUPTION
FAILURE OF POLICE REFORM IS EVIDENT
IT NEEDS TO BE REDONE WITH MORE DECENT PEOPLE
THE NEW UNIONIZED AND DEMOCRATIC PNP
AT THE SERVICE OF A VERY ABANDONED CITIZENSHIP
FOR A TRUE AND REAL STANDARDIZATION
WITH BETTER EQUIPMENT AND NO CORRUPTION
MEDICAL CARE, MEDICINE AND SECURITY
IT IS A PRIORITY TO REVIVE CAJA MILITAR POLICIAL
JUANA OBLITAS ORE OLLANTA DECEIVED THE UNIFORMED
ONLY MISERABLE AMOUNTS WERE AUTHORIZED
ITS PENSIONERS ARE FROZEN
MANY WITH SERIOUS DISEASES
SECURITY WILL FALL DEEPER INTO THE PRECIPICE,
POLICEMEN AND SOLDIERS HAVE NO MORALS
CITIZENS WILL PAY THIS SETBACK
THEY ARE PREPARING A UNION ALLIANCE TODAY
GOVERNMENT LIKES VIOLENCE
TO SOLVE ALL SOCIAL CONFLICT
ITS WISDOM WOULD STILL BE ON TIME
AS THEY WILL GO TO GENERAL STRIKE Another factor is that Chile is against the economic growth of Peru. They fear that within a few years Peru will have the supremacy and hegemony of the South Pacific and their goal is to neutralize and prevent Peru's economic growth through a war. It's also time to acquire a satellite for the vigilance of the territory and for civil purposes. The Peruvian people forgot that Ollanta is a nationalist Russian Communist who sent his brother to kill 4 police officers, he is directly involved because he states his frustration in his Nationalistic newpaper and apart there is a video supplied by Jaime Bayly which implicates that the voice of Humala is ordering the violence that occurred when the Peruvian Police were killed by his brother. Why do you always talk about war? You're sick. It seems you're talking about Chile invading, that Chile has a satellite that spies on them as if every Chilean were worried about what you, Peruvians, do. You're not that important, you talk about the economy. Look, one thing, you can have all the resources in the world but if you don't know how to distribute them and make them multiply, it's your problem. Your country is corrupt, ignorant and also resentful with no vision for the future, worried about the past. We Chileans have experienced very awful things because of a genocidal dictator called Pinochet and what does the majority of Chileans say? We say that is part of the past and we see the future, because the future is wealth. Well, this is a comment of mine. Don't think about or focus so much on our country and worry about your own country because you are really bad off. I know lots of Peruvians who work in my country, they break their backs working to support their families in Peru. So, instead of thinking so much about wars and buying sophisticated weaponry or declaring war, you'd be better off investing in education and better salaries for your people.